The Junk Food Tax

Personally, it seems ridiculous that people do not know that eating 200 Big Macs a week is unhealthy for you. This tax is obviously very controversial because it challenges some key values we hold as Americans e.g. freedom.

The LA Times raises the taxation of liquor and tobacco. However, they do not address the fact these products have age restrictions, so the taxes do not hurt many people because there is already a very narrow market for these products, and smoking and drinking alcohol take a back seat to having something to quench the hunger pangs.

What is your thought?


Los Angeles Times:

The food industry, not surprisingly, has squared off against the idea, arguing that the tax bill is a punitive assault on personal choice.

"The government doesn't have the right to social engineer," said J. Justin Wilson, senior research analyst at the industry-backed Center for Consumer Freedom. "It doesn't have a right to protect us from ourselves."

No? The food folk are correct that this is a way of punishing people for unhealthy behavior. But they're wrong when they say the government has no role to play in prodding people to do better.

The other prominent sin taxes out there, for tobacco and alcohol, raise money for health and education programs, and that's a good thing. But their main purpose is to make these products more expensive and thus less attractive to potential users.

Considering that about two-thirds of American adults and a third of our kids are now overweight or obese, it seems more than reasonable to extend the same thinking to sugary drinks, which researchers say are a key contributor to the obesity epidemic.

That said, soda isn't the sole culprit. If we're serious about shedding all those excess pounds, it'll take more than just making Coke and Pepsi more expensive. More on that in a moment.

First, let's take a closer look at AB 669, the legislation introduced last week by Assemblyman William Monning (D-Carmel). He serves as chairman of the Assembly Health Committee.

The bill would levy an excise tax of 1 cent per ounce on any beverage with caloric sweeteners such as sugar and high-fructose corn syrup. These beverages include sodas, energy drinks and sports drinks.

The estimated $1.7 billion raised by the tax annually would be dedicated exclusively to funding physical fitness and childhood obesity programs statewide that are now facing cuts because of California's ongoing budget woes.

The money would go toward activities and gear at schools and nonprofit organizations intended to get kids off their keisters — sports, games, play equipment. It would go toward providing more-healthful lunch choices and efforts to educate kids about eating right.

 
Best Response
happypantsmcgee:
If I am going to pay for healthcare, I don't want you eating like Jabba the Hut.
this

I focus more on healthcare for children: it's not their fault if they can't pay for it, and there's no 'choice' of anything here - people who argue against this just piss me off. Personally, I grew up with gold plated coverage and couldn't concieve of a kid, in this country, that doesn't get medical attention until it becomes so severe it lands them in the ER....which, by the way, runs up the bill. I donate to charity, and find this a worthy cause. However, I don't want micky d's feeding my or any kids crap, and I can't always be around to police them. [I don't have kids yet, I'm just thinking ahead].

Also, preventive medicine as well as establishing good habits is just good economic sense. Heart 'disease', cancer, diabetes, etc... are more related to shitty health habits than any pathogen, and preventing them would save gazillions in medical care.

Once they get older, they're on their own though. Wind 'em up, and turn them loose.

Get busy living
 
happypantsmcgee:
If I am going to pay for healthcare, I don't want you eating like Jabba the Hut.

The problem with this argument, in my opinion, is that human beings effect each other in numerous other ways, too. Should we start restricting their freedom even more then? HPM, if you fail to wrap-it-up and get The Herp from some chick, I might have to pay for your healthcare. Maybe we should require condoms by law. Actually, one can still get The Herp while wearing a condom, so maybe we should tax unprotected sex?

 
econ:
happypantsmcgee:
If I am going to pay for healthcare, I don't want you eating like Jabba the Hut.

The problem with this argument, in my opinion, is that human beings effect each other in numerous other ways, too. Should we start restricting their freedom even more then? HPM, if you fail to wrap-it-up and get The Herp from some chick, I might have to pay for your healthcare. Maybe we should require condoms by law. Actually, one can still get The Herp while wearing a condom, so maybe we should tax unprotected sex?

I mostly agree, but the debate of abstractions with the intent of making sure nothing gets done has been business as usual for generations on this subject. I don't want national healthcare, but I think preventive programs are a really good idea, and I fail to see why more hasn't been done. It's just a good idea.
happypantsmcgee:
I'll subsidize rice cakes, fruit and chicken before I pay for healthcare. It could increase the number of bitches that I would be willing to fornicate with.
hahaha
Get busy living
 
econ:
happypantsmcgee:
If I am going to pay for healthcare, I don't want you eating like Jabba the Hut.

The problem with this argument, in my opinion, is that human beings effect each other in numerous other ways, too. Should we start restricting their freedom even more then? HPM, if you fail to wrap-it-up and get The Herp from some chick, I might have to pay for your healthcare. Maybe we should require condoms by law. Actually, one can still get The Herp while wearing a condom, so maybe we should tax unprotected sex?

ACTUALLY, the problem with this is that Jabba mostly eats those frog things and "Kowakian monkey-lizard(s)." If anything those foods would be high in protein and low in fat (for instance, look at the French dish of grenouilles, or frog legs, it's an incredibly high-in-protein and low-in-fat delicacy) and thus not only preferable to junk food, but something to be encouraged.

Jabba's problems are mostly due to genetics and volume of intake, not quality of food as is the issue here. Please get your facts straight next time before you jump to conclusions haps! ;)

“Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do”
 

However, think about the costs of junk food versus affording real food. It's cheaper to pay for shit than it is unhealthy that it is for healthy food. We may pay for health care, but when those whose coverage we pay for can only afford junk food, then what do we have? A Catch-22 that fucks us all.

 

I'll subsidize rice cakes, fruit and chicken before I pay for healthcare. It could increase the number of bitches that I would be willing to fornicate with.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

Just cut out the PC bullshit and watch these fat ass pieces of shit deflate back down to Earth in a single generation.

Fat people should be ridiculed and incessantly shamed for their disgusting appearance. The idiotic linearity of emotional appeasement contributes more to this problem (and most social ills, frankly) than any genetic predisposition, lack of education or whatever the appeaser talking point of the day is.

The bottom line is:

You are a fucking pig and you make everyone around you physically ill

You stink so fucking bad when you sweat that I have to go home every time you enter the gym

You have no fucking respect for yourself and neither do I...

Get your nasty Michelin Man looking ass in some semblance of shape or at least add some razor blade garnish to your McDiet to cut your appetite.

Fuck tax, let's export these whales to countries where people don't have anyone to eat.

Diet or DIe.

 
Midas Mulligan Magoo:
Just cut out the PC bullshit and watch these fat ass pieces of shit deflate back down to Earth in a single generation.

Fat people should be ridiculed and incessantly shamed for their disgusting appearance. The idiotic linearity of emotional appeasement contributes more to this problem (and most social ills, frankly) than any genetic predisposition, lack of education or whatever the appeaser talking point of the day is.

The bottom line is:

You are a fucking pig and you make everyone around you physically ill

You stink so fucking bad when you sweat that I have to go home every time you enter the gym

You have no fucking respect for yourself and neither do I...

Get your nasty Michelin Man looking ass in some semblance of shape or at least add some razor blade garnish to your McDiet to cut your appetite.

Fuck tax, let's export these whales to countries where people don't have anyone to eat.

Diet or DIe.

Early frontrunner for "end of thread." Took the words from my mouth.
 

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