Analyst 2 in RE - Comm

Hey All - 

I understand Thor Equities has an iffy reputation.. can anyone possibly expand on how they are still currently viewed? Also, are your exit ops limited due to their poor reputation? 

I think you are confusing an iffy reputation as a firm with how that will impact you as someone who works there.

They got killed on retail the last several years, and their few ventures in MF were a joke, so from a big picture standpoint they seem like the kind of firm whose investment strategy relied on prices always rising to bail them out (e.g. not people well positioned to make money in down markets).  However, it should be immediately apparent that you won't be tarnished with that brush merely for having worked there.  They're a large, active, nominally professional organization - you'll be fine.

More generally, "exit opps" aren't as much of a thing in real estate as in finance and it rarely applies.  If you want to design skyscrapers, working at Thor is a terrible place to be... but so is Blackstone or Related or anywhere else.  Go be an architect or facade engineer in that case.

 
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Thanks for the elaborate data. I will definitely have to push back on the exit ops not existing within real estate. Quality PE firms (Which are still RE shops) are definitely selective in candidates they target and which firms they come from. Currently experiencing this now. Maybe less in development or investment management. 

Please feel free to push back on whatever straw man arguments you like.  This kind of weak ass argument doesn't bode well for your future in any industry - no one is going to give a shit if you spent a few years at the most prestigious shop imaginable if this is how you react to even mild criticism.

Let me repeat - exit opps aren't as much of a thing in real estate as they are in finance and it rarely applies.  Good for you if you find that in 5% of cases that isn't true - you know what that qualifies as?  "Rarely".  Do your job well, show you understand your shit, and people will judge you on that and not on the firm you started at.  If all you care about is the real estate arm of private equity shops, then perhaps specify that and you'll get a more specific answer.  If you ask a shit, overly broad question, don't be surprised when the answer you get back is equally broad.

 
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I’m going to add to this. In a lot of real estate, exit ops are what you create via your network. For instance, I went from a Life Co to REPE to a developer. I have no development experience and now do development management. I used to do acquisitions and asset management. Yet the developer still picked me up due to my network putting me up for the role. Most people would say, you shouldn’t have been able to make the transition, but most folks in the industry will teach you what you need to know. And I know many people who have moved around and done acquisitions, asset management, back again, over to development, etc. The skill sets all interact. Sure, I’m not underwriting OMs all day, but Ive spent the better part of the last 5 hours in excel re-underwriting the asset I work on and stress testing - it’s the same skill set in some regards because it all comes back to finance, creating value, and working with counter parties to get a deal done. 

 
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What?  Are you saying that something other than the name of the firm at which you worked has the least bit importance to landing a new role?  What a fucking simp!  This guy doesn't know anything.

 

From my opinion, experience usually correlates with exit opportunities, with the exception of coming from "prestigious" or difficult to enter firms where the exit opportunities assume you are smart so they will teach you the job.

I'd think it really depends on what you will be doing and if it lines up with your desired exit opportunities. I don't know the reputation, but for example, if the firm is know to do terrible underwriting, you might have to make sure to cover that in the interview so they won't just assume, or even use it as a reason to exit. Otherwise, I don't believe it would materially effect someone.

 

The real question is why people even want these jobs. You go work in IB or whatever so you can lateral to a meat-grinder PE associate role to build your resume so you can... land a cushy gig at a boutique firm where you can work your way into a meaningful ownership share? Feels like you can totally skip the first two steps in real estate. Your peers at the end game firm will have come from brokerage, from architecture, networked their way in from MRED programs, etc. etc. To me it seems like a process and a motivation that is completely driven by the blinders of an undergrad who can only name a handful of huge firms.

 

Not all REPE megafunds are meat-grinders. People in my group (associates included) generally work 9 to 7pm on weekdays, with very little work on weekends. I understand that not all shops are like this, but friends in REPE or corporate PE that have prized culture/WLB have generally been able to find it. A lot of the ppl that I know have gone that path so they could land at more of a lifestyle-oriented PE shop.

 

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