Top 5 things I have seen analysts screw up

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  1. Please iron your shirt. No one should know you just opened the package this morning cause the creases are still in it.
  2. Black suit, Black belt and brown shoes does not make you look like an original.
  3. Why is your collar all rolled up in the back, and your tie hanging out a good inch and a half?
  4. Did you decide to shave in the dark this morning?
  5. At dinner the night before the guy sitting at the table next to me had a lobster bib that came closer to his belt than your tie does.

Comments (27)

Jul 18, 2010

LOL I suppose if superficial things are the only thing being done wrong I wouldn't complain too loudly.

Jul 18, 2010

Thats why I put it in the fashion forum... ;)

Jul 18, 2010

the unironed shit is a classic. its one thing though to be working 110hrs a week and having to buy a new shirt in the morning before work bc you didnt manage to get your shirts to the drycleaners. i once interviewed with an associate who simply wore an unironed shirt period. without a tie and jacket. at a BB for their M&A team. now that was ridiculous.

Jul 19, 2010
mezzmonkey:

i once interviewed with an associate who simply wore an unironed shirt period. without a tie and jacket. at a BB for their M&A team. now that was ridiculous.

Oh, so it's ok not to wear jacket or tie if banker works for MM or in Healthcare Group? You know what's your problem? Putting BB M&A on pedestal. You gotta stop doing that.

I was at info session of one of WSO's favorite BB and 3 analysts (2 guys and 1 woman) were visibly drunk. Head of US Real Estate Group was there. They just didn't give a fukk. It was fun talking with them.

Jul 19, 2010
PussInBoots:
mezzmonkey:

i once interviewed with an associate who simply wore an unironed shirt period. without a tie and jacket. at a BB for their M&A team. now that was ridiculous.

Oh, so it's ok not to wear jacket or tie if banker works for MM or in Healthcare Group? You know what's your problem? Putting BB M&A on pedestal. You gotta stop doing that.

I was at info session of one of WSO's favorite BB and 3 analysts (2 guys and 1 woman) were visibly drunk. Head of US Real Estate Group was there. They just didn't give a fukk. It was fun talking with them.

no its not ok in my opinion if a MM banker or someone from a coverage group shows up at an interview in an unironed shirt and without a jacket and tie. i was making that comment about BB & M&A so as to make sure nobody would think i was maybe interviewing with someone from trading or sales where the dress code is usually a bit less strict than in M&A or other corporate finance groups. thats all.

Jul 18, 2010

Haha, my bad man. I never go to specific forum so I didn't realize it.

Yeah, ties should come down to the top of your belt buckle. It is a little tricky at 1st, but not too hard with practice. People really need to learn fashion basics. Unpolished shoes are another one.

Jul 18, 2010

Poor-fitting shirts. The effect is most visible when walking outside on a breezy day and the back of the analyst's shirt is a giant lump of air. You're banking, not jumping out of a fucking plane.

Oil and dirt residue on the inside rim of the collar. Get an exfoliating scrubber and rub that shit off when you shower.

Cuff links. Who the fuck do you think you are?

Contrast collars. Douche-y.

Obnoxious, fashion-forward European suits. One kid in our analyst class wore a light grey pinstriped suit that was rather fashionable, but the grey was too bright and the stripes were a bit too bold and too far spaced apart. His trousers were also sporting a Mid-Atlantic break, so you could see his bright brown wingtips in their entirety. His outfit was just too loud and he just like a douchebag.

Jul 19, 2010
whateverittakes:

Cuff links. Who the fuck do you think you are?

What's the big deal with cuff links?

Jul 18, 2010
yanks88:

5. At dinner the night before the guy sitting at the table next to me had a lobster bib that came closer to his belt than your tie does.

Haha. Yeah, I hate this. I also hate when you can see the socks and tops of someone's shoes because the pant legs are too short. It's one thing if you are walking...its entirely not acceptable if your just standing at the water cooler, lol.

Regards

Jul 19, 2010
cphbravo96:
yanks88:

5. At dinner the night before the guy sitting at the table next to me had a lobster bib that came closer to his belt than your tie does.

Haha. Yeah, I hate this. I also hate when you can see the socks and tops of someone's shoes because the pant legs are too short. It's one thing if you are walking...its entirely not acceptable if your just standing at the water cooler, lol.

Regards

i hate breaks in my slacks, mine almost never touch my shoes.

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Jul 18, 2010

I like looking at people with the big bold stripe suits with the french collar shirts and big feet with square toed shoes. It's like Barnum & Bailey is in town.

Jul 18, 2010

This is why I rock a short sleeve button down a la Sipowicz and refer to all analysts as "skells".

Jul 19, 2010

I think it is interesting when SA's wear suits almost every day, when none of the FTs ever wear them, and try to give them sub tle clues that they really dont have to do that

Jul 19, 2010

Add in Associates, VPs, and even an MD.

In markets, dress standards are a little lower, and when it comes to anything involving the words "quant" or "technology", SIGNIFICANTLY lower. One of our quants routinely shows up with tears in his shirt-sleeves. I shine my shoes once during their life (about eight months). Nobody really cares about appearances other than a very basic "I dress this way because I respect the firm and its dress code."

Oh, so it's ok not to wear jacket or tie if banker works for MM or in Healthcare Group? You know what's your problem? Putting BB M&A on pedestal. You gotta stop doing that.

It really depends on the firm. Ironically, many of the BBs are more progressive on dress codes than MMs and Boutiques- particularly the ones with older partners running the show. It's all about the firm's dress code and what analysts are expected to wear. I am expected to wear a suit, shirt, tie, and dress pants. I am NOT expected to always show up wearing a perfectly crisp shirt, shoes polished to a mirror shine, socks who's patterns match perfectly, or pants that are neatly ironed. As long as my socks are roughly the same color, my shirt doesn't have any tears or stains, my jacket looks like it wasn't kicked around on the floor too much last night, and my shoes aren't in too bad of shape, nobody really cares- the trader sitting next to me has holes in his socks; who cares if I am wearing a navy uomo pattern paired with a navy goldtoe. Honestly, who really cares as long as I do my job and make an effort to respect the firm's dress code.

Work in finance for two summers in NYC and you will be GRATEFUL if you don't have to wear a suit to work.

i once interviewed with an associate who simply wore an unironed shirt period. without a tie and jacket. at a BB for their M&A team. now that was ridiculous.

Sounds like a hotshot. If you're really, really good at your job, you can show up wearing a hawaiian shirt and nobody will say anything. That said, the 50-year-olds like it when you follow the dress code. At Jump and a number of market-making firms in Chicago, most of the guys I interviewed with were wearing T-shirts and polo shirts and they were making more than a lot of guys in New York.

After two years in industry, the only reason most 25-year olds I know wear a suit is that they respect the firm's dress code. Otherwise, I would wear an unironed polo shirt and jeans to work- it would save me 10 minutes every morning, and when I ride the CBR 600 to work, the logistics of going from wearing the appropriate gear on the bike to walking into the building wearing business formal are a real killer.

Jul 19, 2010

Regarding the comment about pants that rise above your shoes/socks. Yes, agreed IF you wear socks. If you go sockless which is perfectly acceptable in spring, summer, fall then this fashion statement is an excellent combination.

(given you're wearing loafers)

Jul 19, 2010
Bulge:

Regarding the comment about pants that rise above your shoes/socks. Yes, agreed IF you wear socks. If you go sockless which is perfectly acceptable in spring, summer, fall then this fashion statement is an excellent combination.

(given you're wearing loafers)

In general, I have not seen people go to work sockless. I've seen socks with TEARS in them; I have not seen people show up sockless. It's just part of the uniform. If you work at McDonald's you show up wearing a red visor; if you work for a bank, you show up wearing dress socks.

Jul 19, 2010
IlliniProgrammer:
Bulge:

Regarding the comment about pants that rise above your shoes/socks. Yes, agreed IF you wear socks. If you go sockless which is perfectly acceptable in spring, summer, fall then this fashion statement is an excellent combination.

(given you're wearing loafers)

In general, I have not seen people go to work sockless. I've seen socks with TEARS in them; I have not seen people show up sockless. It's just part of the uniform. If you work at McDonald's you show up wearing a red visor; if you work for a bank, you show up wearing dress socks.

It depends on the bank. Plenty of people on our S&T floor will wear loafters with no socks. I have heard one say "as long as the ladies are wearing open toed shoes, I don't feel the need to wear socks."

Jul 19, 2010

What about working on weekends? My friend from BB says that you can walk-in with flip-flops and t-shirt on and no one will care.

Jul 19, 2010

lol^^^

Jul 19, 2010

Lemme know when we start talking about the 5 do-nots based on job performance. No offense to our new SAs but some of them are sending my blood pressure through the roof

Jul 19, 2010
moneyneversleeps2:

Lemme know when we start talking about the 5 do-nots based on job performance. No offense to our new SAs but some of them are sending my blood pressure through the roof

Can you start the thread? Is it really that bad as I hear it is? Do these young adults really have no common sense? Why do they get hired?

Jul 20, 2010
barboon:
moneyneversleeps2:

Lemme know when we start talking about the 5 do-nots based on job performance. No offense to our new SAs but some of them are sending my blood pressure through the roof

Can you start the thread? Is it really that bad as I hear it is? Do these young adults really have no common sense? Why do they get hired?

I'm on my BB and don't know how to start a thread but here it goes: it's not that SAs aren't qualified to be there. The problem is that they try too hard so here are my Do-Nots

  1. Step out of your lane!!!!!!! Just because we invite you out for drinks doesn't mean stay out until 3a with us. We have the job, you don't. Come out, get to know your Analysts/Associates in a more relaxed environment and go home after a couple drinks. Unless people are literally begging you to stay out or it's the end of the summer, kindly excuse yourself for going home and getting some rest while you can.
  2. Ask different people similar questions. Yes, modeling is a little different based on the industry but don't have three Associates at your desk answering questions that one person could easily handle alone.
  3. Making demands while you are still outside ie don't have an offer. Self-explanatory. Wall street chooses you; you don't choose wall street. Be happy you got in, impress the right people and once you actually have a real offer then start opening your mouth about divisions, I-phones and desks.
  4. Allowing yourself to slack off because you saw an Analyst do it. He's inside. You are outside. If you got off to a rocky start, work your arsch off for the next month. The bottom of the barrel rarely get offers.
  5. let other SAs drag you down. If your productivity is being affected by having to help them keep up, let an Associate know so he doesn't assume you are the dead weight. But at the same time don't throw any other SAs under the bus in an effort to impress people...it never pays off.....ever!
Jul 19, 2010

At my office I got called out for unbuttoning my top button and loosening my tie at the end of the day. Whether you like it our not, finance is a first impression industry. I always try to look sharp, but that doesn't mean loud.

What is everyone's thoughts on Oliver Peoples glasses? I own a pair, but don't wear them as an SA because I don't want to attract attention.

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Jul 21, 2010
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Jul 29, 2010