Outside of work, this has been a big theme for me and something that has occupied a great deal of my thoughts being in my 20s. I am still in my 20s so maybe an older soul can give more insight into all of this.
While it seems like after college you start to make more money and become wealthier, it is also supposed to be a lot less fun. College was supposed to be the time to have had all your fun and made a ton of new friends, it was THE time to do it.
I think about the root of it all and it goes back to other people around your age. It seems like 18-21 year olds want to make new friends, they want to go out, they want to engage in social activities, hookups and relationships for the fun of it are normal, and they seem more optimistic about life compared to anyone past the age of 25.
What's frustrating is that it seems like life after college can have the potential to be a ton of fun, but that never really transpires due to the people you are around.
You have money, you are probably wiser now with age, and you have a better understanding of yourself. Big cities themselves seem to offer countless bars and venues where alcohol is readily available.
Issue here is that the circumstances are much less favorable. You don't get a chance to meet as many new people who are high on life and people around you. Opportunities to make new friends, have fun new social experiences, and be a part of a community don't seem to exist after college because people are forced to go to a more lonely path.
It seems as if for those of us who do like to make new friends and have fun times, life peaked in college.
If you're more introverted or more of a misanthrope, I think life actually does get better as you get older.
What are your thoughts?
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I think, in general, it's harder to have that same kind of experience after college, but that's not to say there's no hope. Like you said, it all depends on the people you're around. I used to think college is the time to have fun, but then I look at my older brother. He's in his mid-20s, and lives with four of his best friends in an apartment, and they party every weekend. They have the money to go on awesome weekend trips and the like too. So it's not all over once you're done with college, there are still plenty of good times to be had, and you're making money, which is nice.
The fun and social aspect of life only peaks in college if your personal growth and maturity ends at age 21. If you define fun, in your 30's, as getting fucked up multiple days a week at a bar or a club then sure, that's definitely easier and more fun when you're in college. I was in a fraternity and I don't regret my college life at all.
Eventually you grow up though and your definition of fun (hopefully) changes. You don't have to go on a "lonely path" unless you're socially retarded. Making friends just happens to take work for once in your life.
Your friends pre-k were your mom's friends' kids. Your friends in highschool went to your highschool. Your friends in college went to your college. All you had to do was pick a handful and boom - friendship. Postgrad friendships require you to have some sort of shared interest and actually takes some initiative.
If you think life peaks in college, you don't actually like to make new friends and have fun times.
I missed out on the getting fucked up part in college and I feel like I will live an empty life forever for it because I wonder if it is even possible to have a ton of friends to do that with in your 30s.
The cheesy MeetUp stuff just tends to annoy me, I rather have a large group of friends to go on an alcohol fueled party with because I just missed out on the college experience as a whole, commuter life and then transferring to a state flagship is not the way to go!
The point is you do other things with your friends in your 30's. Don't be that guy who tries to act a decade younger than what he is. It's weird.
Well its easy for you to say as someone who experience it but for a kid who grew up poor and missed out on the college experience? Hard to cope with!
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Dude if you want to go on ragers, what do you think motivates all bad influencers and future AA loners? Just use the juice and maybe a little nose sugar.
Time to grow up then
I'm a single man in his 30's. Here's my thoughts on this.
Are state school colleges really that fun? (Originally Posted: 09/13/2012)
One thing i've noticed consistently among the Big 10 alums here in chicago is how much they absolutely love their college and their undergrad experience. I was recently talking to a guy who graduated from illinois, and he was raving about how much fun college was. It was sort of weird that someone who's been out of school for a while still talks about it as if he were still a college kid.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but what exactly is so awesome about a big state school undergrad experience? I could be wrong here, but it seems like it's been hyped up a bit too much.
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In the late twenties here, and pretty much just turned single in a town very far from my own - I have not been in my own country since last Christmas. Would love some input on single living post-college in big cities. Today I even managed to sign up for a 4 week singles dance course. I feel like Billy Elliott and his father are raging inside me.
Take it from a 30-ish NYC woman... save yourself the hassle and humiliation and stay away from "singles" events. Dating in major cities like NY & San Fran is a bitch, especially when you lack thick friend networks or a penchant for bar hookups.
I've tried singles meetups and the result was always a ridiculous stat of 5-8 guys per girl. Getting together is impossible from something like that, especially when all the guys desperately corner and jump on you in tandem.
If dancing is your thing, go ballroom dancing. Not salsa, etc. "ballroom dancing". Lots of single foreign and American women taking classes there on their own. You can split a private class with one, and maybe hook up later.
Biggest piece of advice, though, do NOT pick up chicks in the bar. You don't know what the hell you can pick up from them, and many tend to use junior guys. These gals have also been tossed around more than once by a series of men...
Should have clarified that I want to learn to dance various dances because my sister is getting married, and I am the best man to the dude she is getting married to. There will be dancing, and since I have the time and money now, I might as well learn how to actually dance - I am not trying to pick up a girl while I look like a fucking idiot trying to learn salsalol.
The place I'm going to the salsa lessons for, provide several dancing lessons. I wanna learn other things after I am done with salsa, so thanks for the ballroom dancing advice.
Luckily nobody else does that with their thoughts on school.
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BIG 10 gives you the best of both worlds.
-Gorgeous women
-Totally different social scene (Greek life, parties)
-Top athletic programs
-Very good academic programs
-Cheaper tuition relative to Ivies
-Some are targets with OCR
Now, you tell me why Harvard would be better than Michigan or Northwestern.
If Big 10 gives you all that, the ACC gives you all that squared.
+1 and SB..the answer to your question is: yes..yes they are that fun.
If you don't like drinking, huge parties, hot morally casual girls and sports, then it probably is overrated. You can also still end up with the same job opportunities as those Harvard kids.
P.S. You can go to the bars at 19 at U of I.
P.P.S. None of the above applies to Northwestern.
P.P.P.S Michigan should be a no-brainer for anyone that is fun and wants to work in finance.
I was just strolling down the street in East Village last Saturday when I happened to pass by Professor Tom while the Michigan game was about to get started. I was amazed by the stream of extremely hot girls wearing Michigan jerseys and t-shirts pouring into the bar. It was as if they were runway models going to a fashion show. For some reason I felt compelled to join them at the bar. Me thinks I will be following the Wolverines from now on. GO BLUE!
I used to live right around the corner. Although I'm an Illini, I used to go to a lot of game watches there with Michigan friends. Such easy pickings for the quality of girls there...
Any pick up lines that work particularly well with em Michigan ladies? I mean besides Go Blue!.
Professor Tom is also a red sox bar, if i'm not mistaken. Pretty laid-back spot.
It's funny that you saw so many michigan hotties. Some of my best friends here in chicago went to michigan, and the running joke among them is that michigan has the least attractive girls out of the big 10, with the exception of northwestern.
Professor Tom is like the Boston Sports bar in Manhattan. In addition to the Red Sox, they also serve as the Celtics and Patriots bar.
There must be some kind of selection bais going on as to why so many of the most attractive girls from U Michigan end up in NYC. Perhaps they place really well with Madison avenue?
I know man... did you see how hideous and unattractive the girls in that video were... oh wait...
Could it possibly be that your friends are all beta introverts who never had a social life in Ann Arbor... maybe rewatch the video and see if you can confirm that there were no attractive females in it.
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I went to a few Big-10 dominated parties in Chicago I have a question - don't you people know that both bud light and natty are shitty beer? I thought people drank it in college because its cheap. Why the FUCK would you drink it when you can afford something better! Or is it some kind of nostalgia thing?
Big 10 alums in Chicago love their bud light, miller lite, and natty. Not uncommon at all to see 30-year old guys still wearing their college gear and gulping buds as if their lives depended on it.
What's there to love - it tastes like piss! If you can live in Lincoln Park , you can afford something better
Question... do you think these "Big 10 alums" are observing what both of you drink, what you wear, and how you act and then go to online message boards and judge/gripe about it? ... Nah, I think they're probably just having fun.
Sure , but if you're a prop trader with 3 years experience , and you invite me to your place for a tailgate - come on man don't give me fucking miller light. I wouldnt do that to you
Who drinks anything other than American light beer at tailgates?
If you have a keg or something , it's one thing - but if its in your apartment. You consciously went out and thought "Hmm -- what beer am I going to get , now that it's my turn to host. Oh I know , I'll buy Miller light"
Again , if you're 26/27 - time to move on brah
Personally , even straight bud or straight coors is somewhat acceptable.
Why the fuck am I really arguing that miller is shitty beer. It is
This has to be some sort troll post. There cannot be people that actually function/think like this.
Are you being serious?
Question - when you stock up with beer for a party at your place. What do you get?
Answer: [standard beer]
This will then be followed by you saying that my preferred beer taste like shit and how X craft beer, Y import beer, and Z more expensive beer are better.
Hoegaarden? Magic Hat? Straight Bud ? Becks? Heineken? All good beers
I drink yuppie-ish beer all the time. I stock my fridge with all the weird shit you find at the Whole Foods Beer Store (which has an absolutely amazing selection, by the way). I frequent snobby Belgian beer bars. I use retardedly shaped glasses for certain specific beers.
If I'm watching football with friends, however, odds are we're all drinking Coors Light.
Its not weird at all. He just wishes he was back in college, and why shouldn't he? College is the best thing ever... being on your own for the first time, meeting a million new people, going to parties and bars, campus during the fall (personal favorite), sports, late night pizza, chicks, chilling on your porch grilling/drinking beers, etc etc etc.
If you can't answer "yes" to both of these questions then you probably didn't have a good ol' fashion kick-ass American college experience:
1) Are your best friends from college still your best friends post-college?
2) Do you often find yourself thinking "I would literally do anything to go back to freshman year"
Wow. Is this the typical American college experience?
My answer to both questions is a resounding no. I would rather slit my wrist with a razor blade than have to re-live college.
that's cuz you sucked at college
This must be the reason you have such a hard on for b-school. I'm more than 10 years out of college and would answer a resounding yes to both questions. I've also had an incredible post-college experience and wouldn't change a thing on that front so it's not like I'm trying to live in the past. The sense of freedom, optimism and access to girls/booze/fun at a state/party school as a frosh is just an amazing thing. There is honestly nothing better than thousands of kids waking up at 7am on a Saturday to start pre-gaming. It's the only reason those kids ever get up that early as 8am classes are a non-starter.
My best college friends (who never lived in NYC) are all now tight with my best work/finance friends from NYC, and they all hang out even when I'm not around.
Good stuff. ...very similar for me (although I'm not too far removed from undergrad) and I just assumed most people were like this, but I guess I should consider myself fortunate to not have missed out.
And there is absolutely nothing better than college football Saturdays while in college.
I have a feeling we would get along sir
No doubt. Am heading to NOLA to crush beers and watch football this very weekend.
Haha, I envy you sir. I hope to make it down for Mardi Gras this coming year.
Now Mardi Gras is something that I may have too many gray hairs (and a wife) to participate in these days. Still not too old for beer pong though...
I've always thought New Orleans was much more fun on Halloween than on Mardi Gras. MG is seriously the worst sausage party I've ever been to (and that's coming from someone who went to a nearly all-guys college).
Brady, I truly feel bad for you man
That's because you went to UPenn and not a state school.
every day brah
right... what bank, hedge fund, or pe firm do you work at again?
Yes
All that shit you desperately hope HBS will provide for you, the social life that you had to give up while you were studying all the time, confidence / swagger (from wearing private equity club jackets... lulz), and "sick costume parties" us state schoolers lived 5-6 nights a week for four years... and then got to the same place you did... we just paid less and got laid more and actually enjoyed our time. But don't worry... we won't be smug, condescending prestige whores about it... we know it must be hard to have paid 3-4x as much only to get to the exact same place, just with a bigger chip on your shoulder, all the while knowing that you had a miserable 4 years, while some kid at Ross or Indiana was hooking up with all the sorority girls pined over without dropping the H-Bomb or 200k on tuition and epic trips to Park City. It's like your fantasy about HBS, except the girls are hot and down to earth. FYI there's no way in shit an HBS costume party could even come close to throwing down like the Big 10, SEC, or ACC...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-smJgyIPyAg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbsKrwIz8ts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFrQu3iwyc&feature... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-MWXvS7VY&feature...
^^^^^ This is what my friends and I did 5-6 nights a week during undergrad
+1 SB for this, +1 for your other reply, +1 for any other post you make on this thread.
and by your own admission you hated your college experience... the truth of the matter is you could have been crushing it at Spring Fling... sure it's nothing like a Big 10 party but I'll give the Penn kids their props when they are due... they can have fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLytwL99Si8
Right... it's not worth the hype... you just Niagara Falls in your pants at the thought of dressing up in costume to chase girls from WELLESLEY, and call it transformational experience. I hate to break it to you but HBS will not be an instant increase to your swag. You obviously want that real college experience, I understand it and I empathize with you. I feel like everyone should be able to experience what my friends and I experienced. I LOVED college. I would hate to look back on my college experience and say it sucked. I think this is what your lust for HBS boils down to, and it's totally understandable, but you need to realize that you could go absolutely fucking HAM at Ross or Kenan Flagler or Kellogg and have an awesome time. But you're choosing to throw all your eggs in one basket and put it up on a pedestal. It's fine to have dreams but don't have them at the expense of living man. You should go back for an alumni weekend to one of your friends' Big 10 alma maters for Homecoming. Live with the enthusiasm of a freshman for a weekend. Forget about prop trading, Harvard, rusty Hondas, hang gliding, and essays. Just have fun and drink some shitty beer.
By the way, it's not that the Big 10 kids don't enjoy the taste of a Stella, we just don't have to act like a douche if we're offered a Natty Light. Where we came from and how we were raised, the best beer was always a cold beer and a free beer. We are gracious hosts and gracious guests. I enjoy a $200 prix fixe dinner as much as the next guy, but I'll never complain about Natty Lights and Dollar slices.
Come out for a football weekend and see what all the magic is about.
Wish I had another SB. +1
Are you high?
Brady, you're missing a lot about life in general with your attitude and outlook in life. Good luck trying to figure it out (here's a clue: you won't)
What's with all the hate on Bud Light / Coors Light? I love a high quality beer as much as the next guy, but sometimes a cold, crisp Coors Light can't be beat. Especially when there's football to watch.
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Hmm - I think Brady's reply to my comment took the douche level up a few spots. I was trying to be mildly funny. I dont think Big 10 alums are provincial , or any such nonsense - nor do I walk around thumbing my nose.
I just think that a lot of Big 10 places in Chicago have that sort of attitude - Let's relive our college days perpetually. And frankly , it begins to wear thin after a few years in that environment. Especially , if you're not from the area.
Honestly, does drinking beers and watching football on the weekend at a bar equal "trying to relive college perpetually?" What sort of shit is this.
This whole thread is ridiculous. "I see people out having fun...I just don't get it. Grow up and drink better beer!"
I mean...what?
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Who the fuck is equating the two? Or do you just think that anyone who is midly critical here walks around swilling scotch with a monocle thumbing his nose at the big 10? Don't exaggerate here.
Anyone who has EVER been to Lincoln Park knows what I'm talking about - people way too old for this shit trying to act like they're not. And no , I don't get the perpetual hard on that the midwest has for crappy beer.
Chicago has great beer bars - but thats not the scene Im talking about here.
Ive been to state school parties in Cali , in texas , in NY , in MA. They're all great - I wish I had parties like that back in my UG days. But San Fran and LA don't have bars in the city that constantly have 30 year old USC/UCLA/Berkeley grads doing keg stands.
You made several posts implying that you're too good for certain beers and then pestered people to explain what beer they buy for parties.
Here's an idea: if they aren't bothering you or stopping you from having a good time or doing what it is you want to do, don't be bothered by it. Is doing keg stands every weekend as a 30 year old a cool thing to do? Of course not. But, I'm not thinking about it in my free time because it's irrelevant.
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Amen. I think people are grossly misinterpreting what GS and I are saying. I don't look down on people who drink certain types of beer. I just get tired of the same scene here in chicago, where guys who are like 30 are acting like 21-year old idiot frat boys. It gets old and just isn't that fun. I actually have 2 friends who are in their early 30's (duke alum and a notre dame alum) who fit this bill perfectly. Every time they text me to come out, they're at some absolute shithole populated by kids straight out of college. I usually say "no thanks bros. i'll just stay in, study for my gmat, read the economist, and wake up early for community service."
Ha, at least most New Yorkers grow out of their Murray Hill stages by the time they're 25 or so.
What I don't get, honestly, is that you brag about how much college-age tail you can get if you go to HBS...so why are you knocking your friends for trying to get college-age tail without $200K in debt?
I mean, fuckin' a man. You even transcribed an email from your HBS friend who bragged about banging some sorority chick thanks in part to him "dropping the HBS bomb."
How is this shit any better than guys going out on Saturday, drinking a bunch of beer, and looking for someone to take home with them?
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You my friend, sound like a terrible person to hang out with. Studying for the GMAT, reading the Economist, and getting up early all sound like great ways to be social...
You're right, bars in San Fran and LA are so much better with their excess collagen, silicone, and pretentious elite all passing judgment on one another and dispensing faux cheek kisses and compliments with the all the sincerity of a congressman seeking reelection. I'd rather take my chances with the people out to have fun in earnest, not giving a fuck what you think about them, living in the moment and enjoying their life than you and your pedestal which will always elude your grasp.
Do you always get this bent out of shape when someone says "your scene is not my scene"?
Nah, just when I know I'm more articulate and eloquent than a condescending douche... then it's just fun...
I don't know who to root against more -- the state school apologist or the beer douche.
Either way, Brady's thread jumped to two pages pretty damn quickly for a ~12am thread.
I hear ya, man. I know how that's like.
State School is fun if your the party, drinking, "player" type. Not so good if your intellectually engaged, prefer a smaller and "tighter" group of friends and a true academic experience involving things like study abroad, volunteering/charity work, research with a professor, etc which top ranked Privates (mostly) do better. However once you get outside of the top ranked schools, big privates like Syracuse, Northeastern, Boston University, etc are pretty similar to state schools with the drinking and party aspect of college. And for everyone who said that state school is cheaper I lol, because nearly all of the good public schools (if your from the northeast/mid atlantic) are insanely expensive and stingy with financial aid for out of state applicants.
Yeah, this seems right.
Being a fan of partying is not always mutually exclusive with a "true academic experience" of being intellectually engaged or involved in research, charity, etc.
Most Big 10 schools are very cheap in state.
Michigan , Wisconsin and UIUC have pretty fucking solid Engineering programs
Yeah, but I can see how they might get sort of swallowed up by the gigantic nonsense of the rest of the school. It all seems like a hugely impersonal experience.
That's not so much the issue. Part of moving to a big , new city is to open up to new experiences and do new things. Honestly , if I were mostly with the college crew , doing college things and not meeting that many new people , I'd consider it a wasted opportunity.
Life is all about meeting people who aren't like you
I agree with this entirely. Hanging out with the same people from college, doing the same stuff you did in college, long past you've been out of school, is not that appealing. Meeting interesting people from all walks of life and doing new stuff is what adds excitement. And not to beat up an old horse here, but in this respect, a top b-school can't be beat.
See, to be truly open to new experiences and people , you have to be non-judgmental.
With all due respect , I think people would think you more open to new experiences if you didn't bring up prestige so often.
Great post. What some of these people just don't understand is when you can get excited by guzzling natty lights and spending your sundays cavorting in cramped football stadiums and conversing with people who think the same way, then of course you're going to think that HBS is not needed and perpetually reliving your Big 10 undergrad days in your mind is more than enough.
And not to stir things up too much, but it's not really possible to have the "classic" social experience and top notch academics all in the same undergraduate school. If you want to chug bud lights and go to football games, go to Big 10. If you want to have solid academics, go to Princeton or UChicago or something. It's only until you get to the elite MBA programs which you can have both, and there is a simple reason for it: grade non-disclosure.
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If you can manage to become a Baker Scholar at Harvard Biz and still spend every day of your MBA tenure porking UVA sorority chicks and going to costume parties, then you sir will officially be a god among men, a demi-god if you will.
If you can manage to become a Baker Scholar at Harvard Biz and still spend every day of your MBA tenure porking UVA sorority chicks and going to costume parties, then you sir will officially be a god among men, a demi-god if you will.
Really hard. Virginia and Masachussets are pretty far apart. My junk only reaches as far as Delaware.
Pro-tip: you may need to get a few operations before orientation.
Sorry , I'm not giving you the tip.
Look everyone, Brady's new alt account. If you recall the last one, which was banned, was detergent.
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
Listen kid, just because you have ten thousand posts on here doesn't mean that you can just spout whatever nonsense you want. Every time Brady posts something, you automatically swoop in to put him down. In that regard, if he's an HBS troll, then you're an anti-Brady troll. Your silver bananas do not give you the right to be mean.
Awww, that is soooo fucking cuuuuuute... You think college football games are on Sundays...
... but I'm going to say something overtly contentious in order to elicit my desired response.... "WHAT?... I said with ALL DUE RESPECT, that means I can say whatever I want. My boys are winners, if I wanted them to be a bunch of sissy cry babies I woulda named them Dr. Quinn and Medicine Woman."
Nope. I don't need Illini on this one, I can handle the inaccurate drivel above
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best...
^^^ Illinois and Michigan are both ranked higher than Princeton, Carnegie Mellon, and Cornell... but then again, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon, and Cornell don't have solid academics... oh... wait, only an idiot would consider those to be anything less than phenomenal schools.
http://www.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/to...
^^^ ~5 Big 10 schools in the top 30
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best...
^^^^ Sorry for partying...
Engineers are the oompa loompas of science.
Investment Banking Vice Presidents are the oompa loompas of finance... not that you are even a VP
Tough but fair.
This isn't really the case. Most enginerds (as I am one, I'll take the liberty) are in a completely isolated circle from the mainstream campus life.
For a variety of reasons (mostly that I really like girls more than coding and gaming), I sought out friends that were not exclusively focused on spending their lives within the dark recesses of the engineering center. I still worked on some very cool EC research projects and side jobs, but I also wanted to party. I did school/partying/sports, most of my engineering classmates did school and Warcraft, which is a fairly even trade-off in terms of time allocated (or was back in the day).
Yeah - plus Engineering majors are so exhausting that you want something as far away from it as possible in your free time. My best friends in college were art , drama and English majors.
It's pretty hard to funnel a hoppy IPA or a nice creamy porter. I've never seen a 30 rack of Fat Tire.
Fact: if some dude came to watch football on Sunday with my and my friends and turned his nose up to a Bud Light, I'd open-palm smack him in the face and tell him to get the fuck out of my apartment.
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Yawn
Sure, he's your guest at your place with your friends, so he should accept happily.
But if you're going to bend over and fuck the guy by handing him Bud Light instead of Natty/Coors Light, at least have the courtesy to give him a reach around.
Mostly kidding, but I really do hate Bud Light for some (likely irrational) reason.
This describes me to a "T".
I think there are 3 takeaways from this thread_
1. Everyone who criticizes a state school scene is a condescending elitist douchebag.
2. Everyone who attacks type (1) is an insecure yobbo , with an axe to grind OR an awesome stud who parties his ass off and gets laid every night like a rockstar while (1) is swilling chardonnay and eating arugula
3. There are no nuanced statements and no middle ground. Try to make some and both sides will take a shit on you.
Fucking unbelievable.
Eh , people have the right to party however they want. And I have the right to say that I think a scene sucks. That's all I have to say on the matter
It's what you make of it. I went to a state school and my experience was overall pretty lame and nothing like those videos that rufiolove linked to.
Brady,
You just don't get it. I mean, you just don't get it. I don't know where you did your undergrad, but I will tell you outright, I loved my time in Undergrad. It was fantastic and provided me memories that still shape my life. Lets see, I partied hard 5-6 nights a week. I tailgated and attended every home football game in the fall. I helped raise money as part of the largest Student-Ran Charity Organization in the world (which, in my senior year - the year I danced - we raised 5.2MM and that was doubled last year when we raised 10.7MM dollars) to help fight childhood cancer. If you've ever seen a Canner on the streets in Philly, or anywhere in PA, Jersey, NYC, Connecticut, and Long Island repping Thon, then you know what I'm talking about. When I see those students out raising money like this, it's a great way to chat and find out about what's been going on since I left. I love the reunions I have with friends I haven't seen in ages when we all come barreling into town for a huge football game or randomly running into friends when I watch the game at a Big-10 Bar. Going to a State School, particularly one with a great sports program (either D1 Football, Basketball or Hockey), changes your perspective on things. For me, I still recall my favorite game of my Freshman year, where me and 100,000+ of my closest friends packed into the stadium on campus, in the rain, only to see our team lose 6-4 (yes, you read that right. We scored TWO safeties). I have awesome stories of ragers and parties I either attended or helped throw and the insane shit that I did I wouldn't have found if I didn't attend a Premier State School. Man, I've got stories which I love telling and whenever I get together with some of my college buddies, we always joke and retell stories like that. Even now, when we get together in the city to catch the game if we can't make it back to State, it's still drinking and enjoying the game.
Look, you won't get that at HBS. Dropping the "H-Bomb" doesn't mean shit to people who aren't prestige whores and if you consider the partying you'll do there as the pinnacle of partying, then you've never partied hard before. I know you haven't had a true College Football experience. I bet you haven't drank in a town full of bars (or at a fraternity party) until everything is closed and then stumbled and gotten yourself amazing drunk pizza before riding the bus back with drunkard up to campus and have a good time with it. I doubt you ever thought about it in terms of having fun and enjoying life. You don't get it because you never wanted to get it in the first place. That's the truth man. That's the honest truth.
As to the whole beer thing, if you're serving a large group of people, why the hell would I shell out money for a keg of beer that I can't necessarily session if I know everyone will drink something sessionable that's cheap? Whenever we tailgated senior year through now, with the exception of one of my friends bringing a Sixtel of homebrew, we usually stock Lager and either Miller Lite, Coors Light or Bud Light. Why? 'Cause you can drink it, session it and not get as thoroughly fucked up by it alone. We're here to drink and we're here to outlast. Why the fuck would I spend 16 bucks on two Lagunitas IPAs if I'm out drinking with college buddies or watching the game when I can spend 16 bucks on a PITCHER of Bud Light and not be filled up as much. Clearly you're not a seasoned drinker like these guys are. Likewise, this is College Football we're watching, not going out for a night out on the town. It's supposed to be about having fun, drinking and enjoying life. IF I'm at a friends place watching the game, you better believe the lot of us are playing Beer Pong, Quarters, Robopound, and Civil War and we're drinking beer that we can play beer games on, not something that will fill us up after a Sixer. Likewise, if I'm catching a game before going out, I stick with session beer because it means that I can drink a bit more if need be and still be able to go onto the next place and party hard. Drinking is as much a science as it is an art and I bet you won't learn that fact that HBS.
While we all know Brady's feelings in re HBS, he didn't really compare business school to large state schools anywhere in this thread. You're throwing that out there just to beat up on him.
When you look at the first paragraph along side the one you quoted, it creates an apt comparison. . All I've ever seen Brady rave about is HBS This or HBS That. Even his friend's email about partying at HBS is like that. Brady asked what's so awesome about the big state school experience, and I compared it to the one thing he "believes he knows" in the only way I can, by pointing out that the experiences he has are tantamount to understanding why State School Alumni are the way they are.
This quote had me laughing my ass off. I never really thought of it like that. Awesome.
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I'm worried? Lol. It's just a harmless thread. Don't get all worked up over it, even though you're currently going through your period.
This thread is bizarro world
I know, right?
Brady talking about State Schools and the experiences that the "non-target Elite" have? It's seriously out of whack man.
Drink light beer cause most times we are drinking 8-12, not sipping on one for the night. Plus as someone else mentioned, you can't play beer games with heavy stuff. It's disgusting.
Don't know about you guys, but I watch my football games with a bottle of Moet & Chandon.
In Brady's defense, he went to arguably the best UG business school where competition is fierce and sports are not huge. And as someone who has drank up in this schools neck of the woods, you have like 3 bars and they aren't anything awesome.
Big schools with sports programs are fun because sports bonds people together. It is like a gang. You have colors, chants, rivalries, past memories. You connect with older and younger alumni easily. Big student bodies mean a lot of people, men and women, and these campuses are sometimes socially isolated so people are forced to hang together. Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Lincoln, Etc aren't in major metro's. NYU, Penn, Chicago, UCLA, all have major cities to go out in.
And yeah, you throw your gear on and pound beers all day. And no, you never grow out of Murray Hill. What is this crap. That is like saying as you get older you prefer stuck up women who are no fun.
I could be off base, but I thought that Brady didn't attend Wharton but just UPenn. Not sure tho.
I'll throw in here that the alumni connection to state schools are strongly rooted in their regional identities. Hence being an Penn State alum or an Ohio State alum or an Iowa alum is not just simply being a graduate of the college, but also of being a representative of where you are from, your hometowns and home states.
Ok, Brady. I'm going to give you some props. You have now figured out how to generate the largest amount of responses among anybody here. Well done.
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Same people? The most came from one person with three accounts.
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Well maybe true, not 100%, either way everything else I said stands. Sometimes there is a trade off between top school and experience. Up to the individual to decide what is most valuable.
Can we talk about state schools in states with warm weather?
UCSB , UCSD and UT Austin are fucking awesome party schools.
Yes, I can't fathom it either
Brady making absolutely no attempt to hide his troll accounts (soapy detergent and misspartiesalot), nice.
Agreed.
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I think she is. On what, I don't know, but I think she is.
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If you move to NYC after college and don't have blast in that city, you're doing it wrong.
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
I'm a woman, late 20's, and I don't think my life quite "bloomed" until I LEFT college. Disclaimer: I am not a social butterfly.
In college we're very "quantity"-oriented while the post-grad life becomes more "quality", (yes, even with 80+ hour work weeks). Of course, some people still prefer to pursue the quantity of experiences. But more than anything, the way to think of the college "fun" is it's a brief phase that lays the foundation upon which you can build on in the real world.
As an example, in college I studied abroad in all sorts of crazy locales literally every other semester, so I had a massive "quantity" of fun experiences... living as a globe-trotting, money-strapped college student housing for months in questionable accommodations and "exotic" destinations. Tons of fun, and I got to meet a lot of unique people, learn a lot of stories and carelessly see the globe. When I left school, the fun ceased... and I'm happy that it did.
Now my travel is made up of roadshows, client meetings, and bankruptcy court (coverage). Life-draining? Yes. But hey, when you're drained, it enables you to appreciate time-off all the better. It also enables me to accumulate the money needed to stay in better hotels and try better restaurants, or buy more tours in my old global homes, if even for few days of vacation.
Personal life, same thing. By 30 you've now got a tried and true base circle of friends, as opposed to 200 half of whom you'll most likely never see again. Dating-wise, also, you've pretty much figured out your comfort zone by now.
So don't feel bad the next time you ditch the bar, the girl/guy, to come home and fall on the bed from exhaustion. It's a sign of you moving towards the better.
As someone who missed out on college and the early 20s fun, I sometimes hope I don't live to be 30 given how boring it will be to be around people of my own age.
It's what you make it. If you are surrounded by married couples with children, it's going to influence your perception of what you think you should be doing with your life. Contrast this with surrounding yourself with single people who go out for happy hour and don't have a family to go home to, that can also influence how you feel. Just go after what you feel is right for you.
Dude you have been making these threads every other week for the past 2 years.
He's still looking for fun.
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
Well man, life has always dealt me a pretty rough hand in regards to social life, environment, and fun experiences. TBH, sometimes I wonder if I will live to be 30 given the amount of stuff I have missed out on and then realizing how far behind I will be socially at the age of 30 compared to others in their 30.
Strict overbearing parents and poverty, a surefire way to have a terrible adolescence and lack of a true college experience :'(
OK man.
You need to sack it up and take ownership of your life. Your circumstances are yours to control. Hate your life? Quit your job, pick up and move. Ski season is just starting. Be a ski bum for the winter. Move to the beach and bar tend until you figure it out. Move to NYC without a job, like I did. It's within your power to change your circumstances.
He's trying to talk himself off of the ledge.
I echo the points others have made. Maybe if you consider fun to be getting wasted and doing shit without worrying about the repercussions, then college probably was the peak of the fun.
I think that for a lot of people (maybe less in finance), fun isn't always linked to being socially active. Partly due to my upbringing and partly due to the culture where I live, fun seems to be a lot more about doing what you enjoy, spending time with close friends/family.
I've been to the bar less than five times in my entire life if you exclude work related stuff, despise socializing for the point of socializing (come on, why would I bother wanting to know some random stranger that is here to get drunk or to get a date), and dislike forming pointless relationships. For me, life has been a lot more fun after getting away from the people that only know how to get wasted (because getting wasted is cool in college or something), the people that pretend to be the best buddies when the only thing in common is that they bumped into each other in some mandatory setting, and also the people that seem to always look to others for confirmation to what they are doing.
Life becomes a lot more fun when you don't have to maintain the facade that everyone does in highschool or college in order to not be shunned away from the major social circle. Given that you perform well and be like what other people expect at work, you can experience fun however you like it. No one gives a shit if you want to go drink till sunrise or if you want to play video games for 20 hours a day during your time off.
At least for me (and for many others) working a job ain't as much fun as college for this main reason: you are working with / spending time with others who are similar in age group in a free, non-caring environment in college, this enables easy friendship that leads you to pursue any activity that isn't illegal, with whomever that's close by. I had absolute a blast in college. In college, I Met many fun, outgoing dudes who I became close to, met lots of girls to flirt with, and enjoyed all the drinking, dancing, smoking, and some.
At work, I am surrounded by balding, fat middle aged men who don't give two shits about anything but to cover their ass not to get fired. I will admit it's much, much tougher to build social bonds with your coworkers and you can't easily bond with others at random happy hour events or meet ups. These are for the most part superficial relationships.
That said, my definition of fun has evolved. Now, being in my late 20s, I place more value on 'meaningful' relationships. Friendships that are genuine and mutually respectful. Friendships that provoke deep thinking or reflections, challenging my perspectives and view points. Friendships that involve maturity. Friendships that I can be challenged to change the way I approach or view things.
And also, I no longer wish to waste my life doing activities that aren't productive. I'd rather spend quality time with my wife and close group of great friends, not just hanging with the bros crashing beers at 3 am. I feel I'm now too old for that shit
what a depressing thought if life peaked at college.
a certain part of you may peak at college, you have more free time / flexibility and you're able to have higher quantity of certain things, social time, parties, keg stand max time, sleeping around etc etc. later in life it's more about quality over quantity
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As someone who had no quantity for social life in college, I kind want that quantity in my 30s.
it's doable, i did it, pm me if you want some ideas
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a man should peak years after death. when they write books about him.
heister:
Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.
hmm
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"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee