I just wanted to get a social discussion going. I noticed that men talk a lot of shit about women on these forums- which is sorta a window into the darkness. I can tell that they resent women a lot. They're sort of seen as frivolous distractions, scammers (the whole alimony/child support/gold digging narrative), or unwanted inferiors (older women are seen as either annoying or worthless just because they can't have kids or aren't as desirable anymore.) They're evaluated among different dimensions. Essentially, they're viewed as sexual/reproductive assets that are depreciating. It seems they're only discussed positively when it's about physical stuff. This to me that's kinda messed up. In Europe I've seen different attitudes. I think that extreme capitalist values have caused everyone to be dehumanized to some extent, but for women there's a different dimension to it that has more to do with being reduced to a body. I think men are objectified as machines/productive assets whereas women are objectified as sexual commodities/reproductive assets. Everyone's fucked over but at least the role men have isn't trivialized or seen as tangential to society.
Also, for women who actually wanna be something more than a mom or someone's cumbox, there's not much recognition. I feel like we're viewed with suspicion and seen as intruders who are changing things for the worse by entering the professional spectrum. There's a general hatred in American high finance of things associated with femininity (softness, weakness, empathy, etc.) and attempts to bring those things into the workplace are usually shot down, even when they could make everyone happier. The U.S. has bad labor laws and bad maternity leave protections, so a lot of women are pushed out of the workplace with motherhood. Men can have both but women really can't unless they have a stay at home dad, which is hard to come by (or expensive nannies.)
I feel the climate is telling me I don't deserve to have what men can have just because my body is different, and that's bullshit. There's also a barrage of people saying that women are leeching off men financially or tricking them. That's not true for everyone, and the women who relate a lot to men (because they have to do everything themselves) aren't seen as allies, but instead find themselves lonely and alienated.
I'm pretty introverted and I don't play most of these status-signalling games that women are supposed to play. I haven't dated anyone or slept with anyone for 2 years. I can't remember the last time a man paid for my shit. I only talk to people to network or discuss the few topics I can have long convos about. I'm just sort of minding my own business and trying to get by like the rest of us.
That said, it kinda upsets me to think that people around me probably either see me as invisible (I'm not that pretty), as an enemy (for being on the opposite side of the gender divide), or as an object. There are problems specific to me and specific to women, and I shouldn't have to pretend they're not real just to be seen as an equal. People should care about things that don't affect them, but often these problems are not viewed maturely and compassionately. The reality is bigotry doesn't have to be racial and moral progress doesn't always happen uniformly. I am also black but feel there is a moratorium on beliefs that race can impact the capacity for intelligence or logic. In terms of gender, this is not the case. Pregnancy, periods, vaginas, and estrogen are still seen as things that make you incapable of logic, objectivity, or humanity. It's very soul-crushing to constantly be a third party to conversations that show you how others feel like you're beneath them because of your reproductive system. Again, I feel like the negativity might relate to financial drain. Lots of guys are taking women shopping, supporting them, or paying off their ex-wives. That sucks and I feel for them. That said, only some women are pampered, but all are scorned. I'm not getting laid, I have to pay for all my shit- what's the difference between me and the rest of the miserable fuckers out here? I just sorta wanna blend in and be respected, you know? Not in spite of being a woman, but in abstract. Is there a way to transcend this bullshit?
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