Bloomberg Best Undergraduate Business Schools 2013
Bloomberg Undergraduate Business School rankings released March 20th.
1. Notre Dame (Mendoza)
2. Virginia (McIntire)
3. Cornell (Dyson)
4. Washington University in St. Louis (Olin)
5. Pennsylvania (Wharton)
6. Boston College (Carroll)
7. Emory (Goizueta)
8. Michigan - Ann Arbor (Ross)
9. Texas - Austin (McCombs)
10. North Carolina - Chapel Hill (Kenan Flagler)
11. UC Berkeley (Haas)
12. Brigham Young (Marriott)
13. Indiana (Kelley)
14. NYU (Stern)
15. Villanova
16. Georgetown (McDonough)
17. Richmond (Robins)
18. Wake Forest
19. MIT (Sloan)
20. Bentley
Thoughts?
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-20/best-undergraduate-busi…
LOL at WUSTL being above Wharton.
I realize these rankings look at more than just top finance placements, but it is a joke when you have one of the best business schools being outranked by lesser programs.
Emory above Ross? Stern at 14? MIT at 19?
What a joke.
Here's the thing, if you're in the business of selling ads by getting the most page views (or whatever), you need to keep changing the order every year to sell the maximum amounts of ads. So, in a weird way, kudos to Bloomberg for getting creative with the ranking to get attention.
as with their MBA rankings, this is a joke.
this ranking is littered with smell test violations and the fact that it changes wildly year on year ensures zero credibility.
Wharton is definitely the best undergraduate b-school; how is BC chosen over Stern and Sloan after a ton of eh programs, what gives?
I'll attempt to re-scramble the ones listed, but keep their rankings...
By test scores:
Washington U. - St. Louis (Olin) Pennsylvania (Wharton) MIT (Sloan) NYU (Stern) Cornell (Dyson) Carnegie Mellon (Tepper) Notre Dame (Mendoza) UC - Berkeley (Haas)
Virginia (McIntire) USC ( Marshall) Emory (Goizueta) Michigan - Ann Arbor (Ross) Georgetown (McDonough) Northeastern (D'Amore-McKim) Texas - Austin (McCombs) Boston College (Carroll) North Carolina - Chapel Hill (Kenan Flagler) Illinois - Urbana-Champaign William & Mary (Mason) Wake Forest
you can't rank by test scores bc some don't require them anymore. i don't know that i even necessarily understand the rankings, so many of the inputs seem so arbitrary. but to me, best way to evaluate an UG business school is on academic quality. that's what you'll take with you most throughout the rest of your career.
I remember getting an email my junior year from some fellow b school undergrads basically saying "stop telling everyone that this school makes you miserable (via surveys) because it is crushing our national rankings". As far as I'm concerned the only criteria that should matter are employer surveys and academic quality.
Every year, my alma mater is in the top 5 of the following Princeton Review categories:
1) Worst Professors 2) Most Miserable Students 3) Worst Food 4) Worst Dorms 5) Least Accessible Professors
I'm certainly glad employers don't pay attention to surveys (clearly the school doesn't).
Another observation - employer rank seems to be heavily skewed toward larger schools.
wtf... somebody put a list together that's better than mine...
Some of mine are ranked in tiers, and the order is just a bit arbitrary. Better than fucking Bloomberg though.
Ranking by employer survey. Definitely weighted towards size of school. The employer score is based on the assessment of 215 corporate recruiters, a small sample no matter how you cut it. Basically recruiters are only going to have an opinion on schools that produce enough graduates to recruit from...
13 Indiana (Kelley) 26 Penn State - University Park (Smeal) 12 Brigham Young (Marriott) 9 Texas - Austin (McCombs) 1 Notre Dame (Mendoza) 21 Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 33 Texas A & M (Mays) 37 Florida (Warrington) 6 Boston College (Carroll) 20 Bentley 31 USC (Marshall)
43 Michigan State (Broad) 34 Ohio State (Fisher) 8 Michigan - Ann Arbor (Ross) 2 Virginia (McIntire) 7 Emory (Goizueta) 11 UC - Berkeley (Haas) 58 Purdue (Krannert) 25 Northeastern (D'Amore-McKim) 23 Boston U.
That's a funny list.
Clearly you don't work in finance then. Kelley, UW-Madison, Ross, McCombs all represent well.
Not surprised to see them on the rise at all. Look out for BYU too.
Indiana has a badass business program ;)
+In 2 years we'll have the most advanced trading floor in the nation.
+We have some of the highest ibanking placement rates in the nation. For BB, Boutiques, and even some buy-side gigs (Blackstone every year, etc.)
+We get Bain and BCG on campus recruiting and new hires every year from there.
+Our classes will have international students webcamming into sessions soon (built into each room), and we do several collaborations with other schools (I've had classes co-joined with another class in China).
+Google "I-Core." Several other schools have copied our educational model.
+A lot of our classes are simulation-based (online programs) and basically all our classes have teamwork elements along with presentations. So our graduates know how to work with others in the real world :P
Interesting that Harvard, Stanford and Yale aren't on there
wat
Probably trolling, but...
idk why wustl gets so much hate, according to bloomberg olin has the highest SAT average in the country
Wisconsin not even in the top 20 while schools like BYU, Richmond, Bentley make this list? Not to mention MIT at 19 and Wharton not even in Top 3? I'll reiterate what everyone said here...what a joke.
Richmond and Bentley, sure. HOWEVER, if you think Wisconsin should be ahead of BYU, you're not paying attention dude. Mormons take care of their shit.
What is it bringing Notre dame to the top again? Class size factors?
Don't forget that some schools that don't make the list do not have UNDERGRADUATE business schools (i.e., Harvard)... so it's not included because a BBA degree is not equivalent to a B.S. in Econ from Harvard or other top liberal arts schools.
They should redo this list to include hotness of bishes in the b-school as a factor... Kelley, Ross, McIntire, and McCombs would top the list while Sloan, Dyson, and Olin wouldn't even make it!
Yup. Hot poon abundance is very important when you are 18-22 IMO.
Mine's top 40 apparently... go non-targets
with the exception of maybe Wharton, everyone knows undergraduate business is a joke of a degree
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these rankings are meh
This thread is refreshing and insightful. Rankings that no one agrees on are quite meaningful. There is absolutely no suspicion that these schools were just shuffled randomly to construct an ordered list.
Honestly, the only thing that matters in terms of business school rankings is average starting salary, ie what your future employer will pay for what youve learned. That Wharton/Gtown/MIT (highest starting salaries) are ranked so low is laughable.
Does this list anyhow change your life or decision making for business schools?
biggest joke ranking ever. I heard the chief editor is an alumni at UND. Wharton not number one and WUSTL over STERN and MIT?
If I had to do the rankings over: 1.Wharton 2.Dyson 3.UVa McIntire 4. Mendoza 5. MIT 6. Carroll 7.WUSTL 8.Michigan 9.Stern 10.UNC 11.Emory 12. UC Berk 13.Gtown 14. Nova 15. IU Kelley 16. Texas Austin 17. BYU 18. Wake 19. Richmond 20. Bentley
Seriously? You'd honestly put Cornell over georgetown?
lol of fucking course. Who wouldn't?
Cut him some slack - he went to BC.
1) Harvard 2) Yale 3) Princeton 4) Harvard again.
I think it's more like:
1) Harvard 2) Harvard 3) Harvard 4) Yale/Princeton
Thoughts?
Wonder what criteria did they use this time when coming up with that list.
lol @ this thread - a bunch of angry kids defending their school.
My top 5 from that list (in alphabetical order so I don't piss off anyone): Cornell (Dyson), NYU (Stern), Michigan (Ross), Penn (Wharton), Virginia (McIntire)
Edit: I see the MS is already coming my way...
I'd throw some, but your post wasn't worth it. That's how bad it was.
Says the guy with 12SB and 17MS
University of Montana (Missoula)
My ranking would be Wharton, Sloan, Dyson, Georgetown & Haas. Really anything outside the top 3 does not even matter.
bentley, villanova? being included is ridiculous enough, but villanova being ranked over MIT and georgetown is flat out laughable. this list is such a fucking joke
my old alma mater is just across the bay from UC Berkeley, but it will never get a ranking in the top 100 of anything positive.
Wharton should be #1, other schools irrelevant - none of them attracts a mass of top students like Wharton + other top targets do.
"mass of top students"?--the only objective and universal measurement of "top" students would be SAT scores, and it looks like Wash U attracts the most "top students" considering Wash U students have the highest SAT scores...
Stole this from Edmundo Braverman because it seems pretty appropriate for this discussion:
These rankings are a joke.
TCU at 28 lol, love it
why HFF?
I went to Notre Dame. While I can only speak for myself, I believe we're #1 because I have huge balls, make fuck-you money and my gf lets me do anal. Any other questions?
P.S. - my gf is real (although I can't say the same about her fun bags) P.P.S. - sorry about the championship game.
Is she awake though? Either way, mad props brah.
I guess your girlfriend didn't go to ND?
Georgetown just lost to FGCU. Obviously don't deserve a spot in the top 20.
yeah...
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