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2/17/07

Do the HR of BB's check your college transcript to make sure you
aren't a liar?

Does anyone know of anyone who played this little game of gpa inflation
and actually got in the door, despite how its completely unethical and
a misrepresentation that may get found out?

Comments (313)

2/17/07

Don't do it.

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2/17/07

I've heard stories about people getting caught and being blacklisted. Just stay away from it. GPAs aren't the biggest criteria anyways.

2/17/07

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

2/17/07
Daniel T Bush:

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I am graduated and would never do this myself, the question was posed purely as a hypoethical. I already work in the energy sector and this more applies to a situation my friends and i discussed.

We just hypothesized that you could go to extremes to have a basically falsified transcript sent to whoever requested it and make it look legitimate. Of course, the time and effort to do this well would have been better spent studying during your undergraduate years, but this as a last resort.

For the record ,I think it would be pathetic to do such a thing.

2/18/07
Daniel T Bush:

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I did that without realizing it (using cum credits as opposed to my current college credits). Do BB's get angry if you leave off summer community college from your "List of Schools" on the application?

2/18/07
Pimur:
Daniel T Bush:

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I did that without realizing it (using cum credits as opposed to my current college credits). Do BB's get angry if you leave off summer community college from your "List of Schools" on the application?

i dont no the answer to that. however, i can tell you: in the official yale CV handbook, it instructs you to only put down yale. putting down a previous college is only necassary if ur claiming ECs from that previous institution.

2/17/07

They can't check your transcripts w/o your permission, but I'm sure they have their ways if they want to(alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

2/24/07
GGekko:

They can't check your transcripts w/o your permission, but I'm sure they have their ways if they want to(alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

I don't know if it's different for summer internships, but the full-time offer letter says "On or before your start date, please bring a an official copy of your college transcript." I doubt they want to see transcripts of the 2 courses you took at community college.

2/17/07

the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

2/17/07

thanks for the thoughts.

2/18/07
Daniel T Bush:

the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

They are not legitimate. Cheating is cheating. And by the way a GPA of 3.1 with an addition of 0.03 is 3.13 not 3.4

2/18/07
ExGSBanker:
Daniel T Bush:

the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

They are not legitimate. Cheating is cheating. And by the way a GPA of 3.1 with an addition of 0.03 is 3.13 not 3.4

.3, youre right.

2/18/07

the operative word to provide for the tactical manipulation is cumulative. you must write cumulative.

2/18/07
Daniel T Bush:

the operative word to provide for the tactical manipulation is cumulative. you must write cumulative.

Did you do this? What did HR say about it?

2/19/07

I did..should I remove it? In truth, it is cumulative..including xfer credits. I felt that if I were ever questioned, I would be able to offer a reasonable explanation.

2/19/07

I think it depends on a bank whether they check your transcript or not. Usually, if they need a transcript, they ask for it during the interview process and not after.

In any case, lying about GPA is a bad idea. It will backfire. Improving/hiding the real GPA on your resume, though, is a possibility. Here are the methods I used and/or heard other people were using:

  1. If your major/concentration GPA is better, put it instead. The beauty is that no one really knows, aside from the school administration, what major GPA entails, which allows you to include/exclude grades from various classes. Obviously, you shouldn't go to far: as in, don't include History of Art in XIV century Japan into your Finance major GPA.
  2. Rounding off. 3.35001 is really 3.4, if you think about it.
  3. Including grades from summer classes/other colleges. Almost always justifiable.
  4. Other creative ideas. I had a crappy freshman year, so until my senior year I'd put something like "GPA after freshman year" on my resume. Obviously, I've got a question about it on every interview I had, but who cares, I got an internship.

But do know that if you put anything other than your actual cummulative GPA, they WILL ask you about it on an interview. Have a good excuse. Also, counterattack: if your grades have been going up, push that aggressively to demonstrate that you can learn from your mistakes.

2/19/07

What if you've already graduated? Will taking community courses post-graduation allow you to re-calculate your gpa in the ways you've already listed?

Would doing it post-graduation for mba reasons as well as lateral transfer be unethical???

My friend is in this situation, I'm trying to advise.

2/19/07

Okay, two things:

  1. Taking community college courses after graduation is kinda stretching it -- you did not earn those credits while in college. I'd go with putting your major GPA there, provided it's better.
  2. The whole idea is pretty ridiculous, if you look at it. "Taking community college classes -> faking GPA -> tring to get a chance for an interview -> first round -> Superday -> offer" has such a tiny statistical probability of success that only absolute desperation can provoke one into going there.
2/19/07

i agree.

2/19/07

If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.

2/19/07
patents555:

If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.

you do not need to list the CC. if, however, you are claiming ECs from that CC, than a notation of the CC is required.

2/21/07
Daniel T Bush:
patents555:

If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.

you do not need to list the CC. if, however, you are claiming ECs from that CC, than a notation of the CC is required.

What are ECs?

2/19/07

How is that not unethical? Let's assume that someone goes to a good university and gets a 3.0 and then takes some courses at a community college over the summer. You're telling me that it is ok to include the community college grades in a GPA calculation and list it as the university GPA on the resume/CV without even mentioning the community college?

If that isn't unethical, it certainly seems shady. Most universities that list GPAs on transcripts don't factor in the community college grades in the overall GPA.

2/19/07

yes. it is actually mandated per the yale CV handbook. One must write "cumulative gpa."

2/20/07

Chances are they wont do it.

2/20/07

who wont do what

2/21/07

I wanted to get some more opinions...

If an applicant combines both community college and 4-year university gpa before graduating and only listing the 4-year university, with the gpa clearly marked as "combined gpa", would HR rescind an offer after transcripts were checked?

2/21/07
mohae:

I wanted to get some more opinions...

If an applicant combines both community college and 4-year university gpa before graduating and only listing the 4-year university, with the gpa clearly marked as "combined gpa", would HR rescind an offer after transcripts were checked?

u neednt list the cc. just put the 4 yr. write gpa.

2/21/07

Some firms may outsource background checks. I haven't confirmed, but why take the risk...

2/21/07

GMAT 510
GPA 2.3
Spent two years in state jail (seriously--DWI)

My chances to crack into I-banking????

p.s. - Master of Finance from University of Cincinatti

2/23/07

I think Mr. Fastow added .03 to his cummulative GPA when he first graduated.
Take that as you will.

2/23/07

like a 3.67 to a 3.7?

2/26/07

If you transfer credit from other universities, like summer classes and even AP scores, to your main university, then it all gets included in your final official transcript and GPA calculation. Colleges generally will award a certain grade and credit for certain types of transfers, and it's not necessarily 1:1 (for example, they might not give you an A and 3 credits for a class at a community college, you might just get a pass). It even gets counted when your school calculates cum laude awards, etc. As long as all that stuff is officially there on your transcript, it's fair game. If your school doesn't include such things, well then I'd say you're out of luck.

3/3/07

I do know of a certain individual who faked his grades and is now working for a big bank and they love him as well...

they never asked for his final transcript....if they like you at the interview i think you are pretty much set..

besides, i dont see how they can access your transcript unless you bring it yourself..they can't call your school and order it on your behalf.

3/3/07
maestro_3:

I do know of a certain individual who faked his grades and is now working for a big bank and they love him as well...

they never asked for his final transcript....if they like you at the interview i think you are pretty much set..

besides, i dont see how they can access your transcript unless you bring it yourself..they can't call your school and order it on your behalf.

sure.
bro, they all require grade verification. if you forge then youre kick out.

3/3/07

I repeat my point though...i do know of a certain individual that did fake it and get in

hes performing really well and the associates like him too

3/3/07

ur going to have to elaborate.
was he caught when he submitted his transcript?
how much did he up his gpa?

3/3/07

ive heard 3.2 to 3.4 is fine. but more than that and ur fired

3/3/07

do a search and you find a poor bloke who got fired after 9 months becausehe lied.

3/3/07

the guy above clearly wanted to no if he could lie

3/15/07

could you fake your graduation date?

3/16/07

It's hit and miss, most places are able to do it, but some don't. The guy at merrills forgot what school I had gone to, but some guys had FBI style background checks. It depends, and is risky.

3/16/07

Ratul, what is an "FBI style background check", and which banks do this?

7/1/12

From my experience the majority do not. I received analyst offers and only 1 of the 3 BB did request an official copy.

Neither did 2 of the Big 4 (only applied at 2).

I know you would never consider doing it, and were just curious but - You probably don't want to begin your career on the foundations of unethical and illegal actions...

Or maybe you do, but you could end up like Scott Thompson!

10/22/15

Don't lie about GPA. In the end it isn't the deciding factor and if discovered you'll ruin your chances.

10/22/15

Many ask for a copy of your unofficial transcript when you submit your Cl and resume. From the top of my head I know JPM, MS, and GS do this. Can't remember if any other BB asks for a copy. I'm sure most do.

10/22/15

Most will ask for it, and they'll do a random check of those to see if they're real.

Someone on one of these boards posted something about getting busted for this...

10/22/15

essentially the question boils down to: if I'm not smart enough, or am too lazy, can I cheat my way in?

I can see some people really fight dirty to get these positions, it just makes it that much harder to break in.

10/22/15

Citi asked for unofficial transcript last year for Sales and Trading

10/22/15

Lehman requires you to submit a copy of your official transcript to HR on your first day of work.

  •  10/22/15

I lied on my transcript when asked to produce one for my summer internship at a BB firm in NY - upgraded my GPA from an actual 3.1 to 3.4 (what I said on my resume).

HR found out, I feigned regret, and that was that - they expressed disappointment, but I kept my job!

10/22/15

Lying about your GPA is a really shitty thing to do. Not only is it unethical, but you also screwed someone else over who would have had the job but for your lie. You may have kept your summer internship, but do you really a legitimate chance of securing a full-time job there?

  •  10/22/15

it may be shitty and immoral and you might have screwed someone else but by getting your ass in the door, you increased your shot at a fulltime job by tenfold assuming you dont jack up your chance. the difference b/t a 3.1 and 3.4 gpa is probably more a result of laziness than a marked difference in intelligence

  •  10/22/15

its just as indefensible and disgraceful to tolerate and defend such behavior than to do it. you should be ashamed.

  •  10/22/15

Is this a joke? I find it extremely difficult to believe that a big prestigious BB firm wouldn't fire someone who blatently lied about their GPA on a resume. Several years ago I heard about someone doing the same thing when applying to law firms. A law student added a full point onto his GPA and managed to secure a summer associate position at a big prestigious law firm. However, the firm became suspicious when reviewing his subpar work product and called over to the summer associate's law school. When they found out he lied they fired him immediately and wrote a letter to the state Bar, thereby ensuring that he won't be able to gain admittance into the state Bar.

Lying on resumes/trasncripts is just not worth the risk. You may end up getting ahead initially, but the chances of someone finding out and sidetracking or ending your career is just not worth it.

  •  10/22/15

In a career in finance, there's gonna be so many chances to lie about something bigger than gpa. Don't start now! I'm telling you. I know a guy who lied on his gpa at my school, his classmates found out, and to this day, no one refers him for any jobs, contacts, etc... You can be an asshole to a certain extent in banking, but not integrity, that puts someone else's career on the line. If I found out you bumped your gpa by any significant amount, I would never hire you and make sure anyone asking for my advice on you would do the same.

10/22/15

i agree. not worth lying.

10/22/15

Liars are like bananas. Soft, squishy, easy to peel apart and eat them alive.

10/22/15

anyone else?

10/22/15

I wasnt asked for anything and that was lucky because I hadnt been entirely truthful.

  •  10/22/15

usually just an unofficial one that you can print out for yourself. the decision is yours...

  •  10/22/15

Lehman asks for it

10/22/15

yes they do, an unoffical one though

10/22/15

Kinda of scary that all these boards are filled with people blanting lying about the most importent part of their resume. Is this adverse selection on these blogs or are like 20% of applicants doing it?

10/22/15

my guess is that it's more adverse selection. the liars feel compelled to respond and chime in to try and justify their reprehensible (and pathetic) behavior. hey liars, ever heard of earning it? you will keep lying about other things in your life and related to your job and you will get caught.

...reminds me of the lyrics to this song: "if you don't lie you don't have to remember what you told her." have fun remembering what you lied about, and have fun trying to convince yourself that "everyone does it". (or even " a lot of people do it") because the truth is most people don't lie.

  •  10/22/15

Wow, you put 3.4 when it was a 3.1?

How far do you think we can push it and still get away with it? I wouldn't add more than 0.2 onto mine to be safe.

10/22/15

I wouldn't be surprised if lying happens a lot. I don't do it, but I know a lot of people that do because they figure GPA is only used to get your foot in the door. Once in an interview, everyone is supposed to be equal, right?

I think it's BS, but thats what they say.

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10/22/15

This is what happens (at a top bulge), assuming you come from a target:
1. They gather the resumes collected on your schools resume submission site
2. You post an unoffical trascript on the site, this entails self reporting all your grades
3. They find the people they want to interview, typically those with 3.0+ and some work/EC experience
4. They interview you once, twice, three times
5. If you last, you are hired
6. Some on the first day, others long before, you bring in an offical transcipt
7. The offical is sent to HR
8. HR will compare offical with what you put on your resume
9. If they are roughtly the same, i.e., +/- .1, thats it
10. If there is a discrepancy, you are fired

10/22/15

Yeah, you definitely can't get away with lying on your unofficial, in my opinion. The HR girls WILL check that stuff.

10/22/15

they should really make it more known, WAAAY too many people lie on their resumes thinking they can get away with it. Hell just look at that guy who changed all his grades to 4.0. If they made it knowledgeble prior to applying that all transcripts will be scrutinized, they'd a) be able to weed out a lot more people b) give honest people a better chance.

10/22/15

Isn't that part of the standard background check anyways? Don't they go over every little detail about your application?

10/22/15

but don't you think your chances for an offer will be slightly lower, if they have 20 people with 4.0 who lied on their resumes to whom they extend an offer?

for example: Lets say they have 100 spots to fill, but they offer the job to 150 people. Now in theory you'd qualify for spot #131 based on your gpa etc, but because of the people who lie on the resume hoping to slip thru the cracks, you don't even get an offer, because you end up being #151.

And background check they don't advertise on the application etc, so some people might not even know there is one. (i.e. that guy who made his gpa out to be 4.0, got the job, but then got fired a few months later)

10/22/15

To be honest, sometimes yes and sometimes no.

10/22/15

Oh yeah, nobody ever said it was fair. I don't think I believe that anybody ever really gets a fair chance. It always seems to be unfairly good or unfairly bad.

10/22/15

yeah I know its not fair, life isn't fair, thats why you have to actively pursue the things you want, instead of waiting for it to fall in your lap.

10/22/15

Exactly. And if unfairness keeps you out, don't let it get to you. Find another way to get what you want.

10/22/15

exactly, this is why its good that Investment Banks are recruiting so early, because this way if you don't get a job in IB, there is plenty of time to find something else, and then you can always try again after you get your MBA.

But hey, I'm an optimist, so I can always see the good side of things...so if I don't get an IB position, I'll just look at it as getting 2 years of 9 to 5, instead of 2 years of 8 till 2.

So I win either way hehe.

10/22/15

shut the fuck up andrew. you're a faggot.

10/22/15

I thought his point was valid and on-topic.

10/22/15

They should've just done well is school so they wouldn't have to lie to make themselves attractive. Is there any sort of blacklist among wall street firms of people who have been fired because of lying on resumes ? Seems like lying will get you caught and then you have to explain yourself at future interviews, probably fruitlessly

10/22/15

zala still at it? I took the liberty to read thru the investment banking forum threads at vault for the past year all 4000 threads, and you are just as big of a douchebag on there, as you are here.

Some things I picked up from there.
a) you talk a lot of shit
b) you claim to be some hotshot target school student, yet you never proved it
c) you pass off wrong information that you picked up from someone else, and claim it as your own.

A person like you is nothing special, there are dozens like that on each forum. Usually they are very young, have nothign going for them in real life, so they come on the forums and try to pass themselves off as experts, just to get some respect from other people.

So I'm going to take a few guesses about you, a) your gpa is probably in the 3.0 range b) you are a social retard c) you faint when a woman touches you, even from a hand shake d) you are probably not from a target school like you claim to be, I'm not going to say community college, but probably 3rd tier College, that noone even heard of on Wall Street. e) you are either a skinny guy who hasn't lifted 1 weight in his life, or a fattie that hasn't seen his toes since the 6th grade.

E-thugs like you don't bother me at all, its actually quiet amusing to me, so you should probably stop trying to get a rise out of me.

But hey you can always call me a faggot, to make yourself feel better.

10/22/15

hokie search for the word "fired", on this forum, exactly the situation you described.

10/22/15

if I know my ethugs...and I think I do, Zala will spew off something along the lines off: "yo yo yo, I have hundreds for friends, I have sex with super models every day, I drive a 760il, I can bench press 1000 pounds, and my dick is 12 feet long", with either posting googled/myspace pictures or not posting any "proof" at all

10/22/15

Andrew - Thanks for the lead on that post...exactly what I was looking for. Sucks for that guy

10/22/15

sometimes they dont check though. i do know people who outright lied about work experience on their resumes. i also know those who got 3.0s and morphed em into 3.5s. sometimes they get caught, sometimes they dont. its not worth the risk though. think about it, lets assume you get hired. you buy a bunch of suits/shirts/ties and you get an apartment. you prolly drop 10k on that shit. all of a sudden your 22/23 and unemployed with an apartment in nyc. honesty is the best.

10/22/15

"c) you pass off wrong information that you picked up from someone else, and claim it as your own."

if i'm gonna bring up secondhand information that isn't really mine, i always start off with "i heard that...." or "supposedly,...."

"E-thugs like you don't bother me at all, its actually quiet amusing to me"

is that why you went on a three-paragraph rant?

10/22/15

wasn't really a rant, not like i resorted to profanity while foaming at the mouth

10/22/15

"wasn't really a rant, not like i resorted to profanity while foaming at the mouth"

haha, good job sport. when i pointed out that you embarked on a 3-paragraph rant (you also added another post about me right after that one), you responded with a single sentence to try to show me how little you care. that's not gonna fool anyone.

10/22/15

k

10/22/15

This whole resume scrutiny thing seems to be the case with the top US Bulge i-banks, but how about the "lesser" regional banks or ones in Canada.
Anyone have any experience with the top 5 CDN i-banks? ie. RBC, TD, Scotia, CIBC, BMO?
Do they keep official transcripts on file as well?

10/22/15

carson: yes - what makes you think canadian banks don't do the same checks??!! that's slightly naive. I know admin staff at canadian banks who've been fired for massaging the truth on their cv

10/22/15

the checks are bullshit though

10/22/15

in what way are they bullshit dan?

10/22/15

livingthedream:

you're telling me admin staff have been fired for fudging their CV's for retail banking jobs??!!
you're kidding, right? who the f*ck would really care for an admin job?!

and yeah, in what way are they bullshit?

10/22/15

most ivys dont list a gpa on the transcript. they compare the gpa listed on the res with the gpa on the trascript. i worket in hr my soph year of college. we simply held them both up together. if they were roughly the same that was it.

10/22/15

err...when did i EVER mention RETAIL banking???

I mean that in my shop we expect a certain standard and yes, if she's lied about whatever admnin exams she's taken then she's gone. simple, surely?

10/22/15

What if your gpa is rounded up .3 pts to the nearest tenth on your resume but your transcript has all the correct grades? Do you catch alot of flak? If so I should not have taken my friends advice.

10/22/15

You can't round up .3 to the nearest tenth, because .3 is three-tenths. I think you probably meant 0.03. I wouldn't ding somebody for reporting a 3.7 when they actually had a 3.67... but I would ding somebody for reporting a 3.7 when they actually had a 3.4.

10/22/15

If you feel fuzzy about what you're reporting, chances are you will get dinged. Use common sense.

10/22/15

Mis Ind good detective work. My bad. I didn't feel fuzzy at the time, especially since on some online aps you could only select your GPA to the nearest tenth.

10/22/15

On a related note:

Do Banks/Employers check SAT scores? Are they even still listed anywhere?

10/22/15
roadie2:

On a related note:

Do Banks/Employers check SAT scores? Are they even still listed anywhere?

They should be listed on your trasncript, I am sure they can call your school and ask as well.

10/22/15
kamilbas:
roadie2:

On a related note:

Do Banks/Employers check SAT scores? Are they even still listed anywhere?

They should be listed on your trasncript, I am sure they can call your school and ask as well.

Really? I can look at my unofficial transcript online through my school's online system and it just lists at the top what high school I was admitted from and what my major is. Then it's got my grades below it, and a cumulative GPA at the bottom. Anyone know if unofficial transcripts and official transcripts look the same, just that official transcripts are sent straight from the school whereas I can personally print an unofficial one out right now? In that case, my school (an ivy) doesn't list SAT scores on my transcript...I've never heard of schools doing this before.

10/22/15

My unofficial transcript has my SATs, but my official one does not. At least at my school, unofficial and official transcripts do not look the same.

10/22/15

think about it like this...

can your parents just call the uni up to verify results, NO.

you make a request to the uni to send it to the firm, they verify the shit out of it to make sure you aren't a lying dumb idiot who they should fire.

10/22/15

i think they get official transcript from your school since you sign the waiver....

10/22/15

bryan and noob are saying the same thing...they get your official transcript

10/22/15

some firms ask for transcripts before you interview, others wait until after you get the offer - really depends on the firm

10/22/15

The firm has to have your permission before accessing transcript, right?

In that case, they'll probably ask you after initial interview screening since it would greatly increase the paperwork they'd have to look at. Or maybe even after firm. Probably varies like IBAnalyst says.

10/22/15
ThoughtMan:

The firm has to have your permission before accessing transcript, right?

In that case, they'll probably ask you after initial interview screening since it would greatly increase the paperwork they'd have to look at. Or maybe even after firm. Probably varies like IBAnalyst says.

they do ask for your permission. I also believe that some schools require that you give them additional approval beyond signing your paperwork in your offer letter/HR package.

10/22/15

I think when you return your signed employment contract (which comes with your offer letter), they ask you to provide official certifications of your qualification, which means you are to provide your transcript after you receive an offer.

Of course, if you lied in the resume, i wouldn't be surprised if they pull back on offer.

10/22/15

I got asked for my transcript after superday prior to decisions being made.

CompBanker

10/22/15

Some of the firms asked for transcripts at the application stage, some didn't. But even so, I don't know how much they really read them at that point.

10/22/15
dvd56x:

Does anyone know for sure? If they don't see the transcript, people can take easy classes to boost their gpa.

I think it was 50/50 in transcript before/after offer. HR/outsourcing firm does not discern between easy & hard classes. So yes, a lot of people will take easy classes to boost up their GPAs. Although bankers will not look at the transcript class by class and look at the grading curves, we're all more impressed with a 3.2 Quantum Physics major versus a 3.8 MRS degree.

10/22/15

So I hear lying on your resume is bad....

10/22/15

Never lie. It could come back to bite you.

10/22/15

They usually ask for resume first and after you get offer they ask for the transcript.

10/22/15

Depends. Lehman asked me for after I had submitted my resume and after the first round of interviews but well before anyone was offered a job. Some I've seen ask to attach an unofficial copy with your resume & cover letter. Others haven't said a thing about it.

10/22/15

It really depends on the bank. There is no right answer to this question.

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10/22/15

most do. and for FT they ALL do- even if you get FT from your SA. This has been asked by alot of people who wanted to fudge their grades. (check wsoasis history)

If you didn't lie/cheat everywhere- go with the place you didn't lie/cheat. You'll be a dumbass fool when they catch you. :(

10/22/15

of course they will eventually ask for an official transcript.
you think you're the only one who thought about lying?
cheating piece ofshit

10/22/15

Not all banks do it for SA, but if you join full-time after the summer, assume that they will require it.

10/22/15

I bring my transcript with me anyways...they check to make sure you are actually the major you claim you are, that your GPA is good, etc.

Why wouldn't they? They are paying you 14-16K for the summer, they'd be dumb if they didn't check their purchase.

10/22/15

Actually, for neither full-time or summer did I have to submit an official transcript. All they asked for was certification that I had graduated. Of course, I signed dozens of sheets of paper authorizing them to do pretty much whatever they wanted. So, they very well could've asked for one from the university with it, but I never sent them anything.

However, if you lied on your resume, pretty much assume they will find out.

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A lot of firms won't ask for transcripts, but they require a release to access your academic records, and will hire a risk assessment company to run a background check, which includes verifying your academic records. But please, lie. I would love to have one more scumbag blackballed on the street.

10/22/15

Uh, yeah, I wonder where you're going with the official transcript bit. Better hurry up and get that 3-tenths rounding error off your resume and call around to beg for forgiveness. Then kiss your ass goodbye.

10/22/15
10/22/15

No it's a terrible question. One that's been answered a thousand times. They won't give a sh*t and neither do we.

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10/22/15

lol, if you put 3.8 on your resume, and your gpa is 3.75 they honestly don't give a shit, i doubt they would even bother if u had a 3.7 and put a 3.8...but either way never lie...not worth the consequences.

10/22/15

so you lied. hopefully the HR isn't going to be a b!tch and call you out for that.

10/22/15

so the next time, I should just put down that I majored in Social Sciences? I shouldn't even mention Econ at all?

10/22/15

I don't think that counts as a lie

10/22/15

Do comapanies really care about your major? I mean I have met guys who work for some big firm and they majored in stuff like government, IR and history. Granted these were guys who graduated from top 20 schools, but does the major really count that much in the hiring process?

10/22/15

I know so many people at my school who say "Emphasis in Finance and Accounting" (that's the concentration for 99% of the students), but they haven't even taken any finance/accounting electives yet. Sure, they probably plan to, but still. I guess if they know their technicals, it doesn't even matter.

10/22/15

Its a lie but I don't think you'll get dinged for it.

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10/22/15

if your transcript doesn't say that you are an econ MAJOR then it's a lie. you can have an emphasis in anything you want but they can easily find out what you are majoring in by asking you for a copy of your transcript.

10/22/15

just state whatever your major is and put "specialize in economics". your major isn't going to matter as much as being truthful. it's not worth the risk.

10/22/15

just put exactly what's on your transcript

if HR really wanted to they could terminate any contract w/you before you have a chance to explain

10/22/15

Up until what point of your career, would employer care about your GPA and request a copy of your college transcript?
Say, you graduated 5 years ago, worked in other industries (both finance related and non-related), and it's going to be your first Ibanking job. Would employer still ask for your college GPA and demand to see your transcript?

10/22/15

nah. i dont think so. like, im a finance major, but it doesn't say so on my transcript b/c im not really "allowed" to declare major until the beginning on my junior year.

10/22/15

Ling~

Ling~

10/22/15

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10/22/15

Banks usually ask for your transcript prior to your internship. I think GPA is irrelevant in deciding who to give out return offers.

10/22/15

Get the transcript and send it in. If there were no grade requirements and you didn't lie on your resume they most likely will not reneg on your offer. They just need it to prove you graduated that's about it. Congrats on the job in this market.

I fulfilled my requirements of advice and reassurances now for the snide comment. Dude stop being a fucking pussy

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10/22/15

A low GPA is not the end all. A high GMAT plus good story will sometimes negate a low GPA. Good luck buddy and again congrats on the offer!

10/22/15

I love your SN.

10/22/15

free on nights and weekends...with no discernible skills...

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10/22/15

I don't think this'll hurt you this time, but I'd chalk this up as "not lying, but not telling the whole truth", which is still dishonest. Learn from this going forward.

10/22/15

I think you'll be fine. If they read your resume which doesn't have a GPA on it I don't think they're expecting you to have a 3.8 that you just randomly forgot to include. I'm sure they expect it to be pretty low (although you could still surprise them). I'm curious though, how did you end up landing an interview/getting the offer w/o listing your GPA on your resume. I can't imagine they would take that over all the 3.8+s applying without a damn good reason. Are you Michael Porter's son, triple majored at Harvard, and are applying to Monitor Group?

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10/22/15

3.4 at MIT is not that bad, is it?

10/22/15

dude you have a 3.4 from MIT and you are worried they will rescind your offer?? is this a joke?

10/22/15

Dude, when you said your GPA sucked I thought you meant sub 3 at least, probably closer to 2.5. You have a 3.4 from MIT and you're worried HR will freak on you? Jesus christ dude, from your story you're evidently a normal dude, but seriously, you consider that shockingly low?

10/22/15

yeah, dude, chill out w/ that gpa... it's still decent. from the way you had phrased it i thought you got a 2.7

10/22/15

hahahahahahaha this is now a classic thread
wonderful - MIT - arguably the best school in the country... 3.4

i'm gonna go crack another one to that. Dude chill out, you will be fine - you goddamn genious, you write it like you got a 2.3 a 'nova...

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10/22/15

this site scares me every day

10/22/15

The OP sounds like the coolest person to ever step foot on MIT campus. Hilarious. Good laugh I needed that.

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10/22/15

Where does it say he has a 3.4? The fact that his GPA is out of 5 makes it pretty clear that he is at MIT, however he said that he pulled a 4.5/5 in his LAST two years. Am I missing something?

10/22/15
saidso:

Where does it say he has a 3.4? The fact that his GPA is out of 5 makes it pretty clear that he is at MIT, however he said that he pulled a 4.5/5 in his LAST two years. Am I missing something?

Click on his user profile - lists GPA

10/22/15
drexelalum11:

Click on his user profile - lists GPA

ah ok makes sense

10/22/15

yeah, but if it's out of 5, i guess our comments have to be partially tuned down.. but still

10/22/15

I think that a transcript request is not much to worry about, especially since you already have the offer. They might just be forwarding the information on to a 3rd party fact-checking company to make sure you went to the college and secondary school listed on your resume.

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10/22/15

3.4 out of 5 is equivalent to 3.4/5*4=2.7 out of 4. 2.7 is not a good GPA.

Everyone who bashed the OP deserves to be bashed themselves; for not being able to connect the dots. Unless ofcourse you didn't read the entire thread, but then you would have had no right to bash the OP in the first place.

To answer the OP - dude don't worry they will not rescind your offer, I am sure that you are competent to do the job, and if you get the job done then it is a matter of fitting in (sounds like you are doing well in this category).

10/22/15

Ouch yeah, should've connected the dots and realized it was 3.4/5... still, I don't think they'll rescind the offer

10/22/15

Always transcripts for BB's.

10/22/15

why, do you plan to lie about scores/gpa? never a good idea.

if it's no good, don't put it on your resume (sat scores, can't really help gpa). if they ask, tell them the truth. don't mean to sound self-righteous but there's this little thing called ethics.

10/22/15

What is the general cutoff for putting your SAT scores on your resume? I go to a top school...but my SAT scores are slightly below average when compared to that of my peers.

10/22/15

oh if it isn't the guy who lied about his SAT scores and is new asking the exact same question, again.

don't worry man, they don't ask for that stuff. considering that you have no gain from telling them the truth now, why bother? take it from an expert ;)

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10/22/15

The practice puts me on edge for some reason. I have nothing to hide, but don't like to feeling of have to 'look over my shoulder' if I round my GPA up. What if someone has a problem with that? I don't want this to be an ethical issue, just one of facts so I can know what to expect.
So do they request SAT scores? Official / unofficial transcripts?

10/22/15

MS didnt ask for my transcript so i guess some banks don't ask for them.

10/22/15

My bank asked for SAT scores in the application and school transcripts with the returned offer letter.

10/22/15

The banks I interviewed with didn't ask for official transcripts. I guess each bank has a different policy

10/22/15

Below 1500/1600, you're fucking retarded.

10/22/15

sir bankalot is a king

10/22/15

I highly doubt you got anywhere close to 1400 with that, by and far, beyond any doubt whatsoever, atrocious grammar. So no... literally, though, unless you won't a not bigger retard. Leagues ahead. (insert random run-on sentence here)

10/22/15

Transcript will likely be checked. I've never heard of anyone asking for an official SAT score from the CollegeBoard though.

10/22/15

This is somewhat related to the post. When do the banks notify you that you cleared the check? Is it done at all?

Pursuit of happiness...

10/22/15

Your saying that they didn't ask for the transcripts and now your worried they are going to ask?

212douche:

This is somewhat related to the post. When do the banks notify you that you cleared the check? Is it done at all?

You would only be informed if something is an issue. If not, you passed!

10/22/15

No I'm not worried. I'll send them whenever they want. I just worked my ass off for my grades & if they don't even check I feel like you (COULD) just say you have a 4.0 and no one would be the wiser.

10/22/15

Pretty sure once you get the offer they just check to make sure you graduate with a GPA close to what you said you had.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

10/22/15

You can (and should) keep it discrete. Don't worry about your transcript--HR only looks at it after you've received and accepted your offer. Some of the smaller places don't even collect them for summer interns.

10/22/15
DontMakeMeShortYou:

You can (and should) keep it discrete. Don't worry about your transcript--HR only looks at it after you've received and accepted your offer. Some of the smaller places don't even collect them for summer interns.

I accepted an offer with a BB over two months ago and they still haven't asked for anything from me.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

10/22/15
bulge4lyf:
DontMakeMeShortYou:

You can (and should) keep it discrete. Don't worry about your transcript--HR only looks at it after you've received and accepted your offer. Some of the smaller places don't even collect them for summer interns.

I accepted an offer with a BB over two months ago and they still haven't asked for anything from me.

Most ask for transcripts as your start date approaches; if they don't end up asking, who cares? In all likelihood though, they will ask.

10/22/15

You won't be expected to bring a transcript to interviews, however during your background check if you are hired they are most likely going to ask for a transcript. However this isn't bad news for you. If you didn't have to send a transcript with your application materials, the chances that someone is going to see one before an offer has been made and accepted are slim. No bank is going to rescind an offer at that point unless you outright lied. Furthermore, I don't think there's any shame in having attended a CC, if anything it's going to be seen in a favorable light. It shows the interviewers that you're hungry, that you've busted your ass to be in the position you're in now, and you're certainly not some rich kid who showed up because he thought IB would be fun to talk about at the country club. Even if that's not true and you went to CC because you slacked off in high school, spin it the way I did and you're golden.

10/22/15

So basically the hiring process only involves the "resume" and "interview". The transcript in itself doesn't hold no weight as long as the GPA matches your school's GPA? I shouldn't even care that I only have 5 classes on it even though I'm a Junior ( transfer student), since they won't be reviewing the transcript?

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