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One of my frat bros who graduated college 2 years ago is married. He married his high school sweetheart last year, at age 23. I went to his wedding, the girl was pretty hot (she was a solid 8), he told me he was the happiest man on the planet at the moment, etc.

One year later, he is constantly talking about how shitty his life is. He despises marriage now. He told me his wife has 'gold digging instinct'.. saying how his level of income isn't satisfactory for her and she wishes that she married a guy that was rich or had a higher paying job. He also mentions how he gets into so many arguments here and there all the time for really petty reasons. He has no freedom. Now, he's considering divorce.

If being married sucks this much, why the fuck do so many people get married? Also why do people ever marry before age 30? To me, that's really stupid.

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  • PossumBelly's picture

    No one changes the day they get married, things just get magnified. Guarantee those traits were there all along. 23 is really young but doesn't sound like a guy like that would have taken a different path even if he had waited.

    Not something to just jump into cause you like a person and have a free Saturday. Have to make sure you and this person are on the same page about money, careers, kids, etc. Definitely worth spending a day doing pre-marriage counseling shortly after the engagement.

  • wolverine19x89's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:

    If being married sucks this much, why the fuck do so many people get married? Also why do people ever marry before age 30? To me, that's really stupid.

    Jesus Christ... maybe because every marriage isn't the same exact scenario as your friend and his bitch wife?

    *paging Dr. Ed to turn his bad experiences into laws to live by*lol

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

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  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Yup.

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  • thegentleman's picture

    Getting marries isn't shit. His wife is shit.

    He should divorce her now, before he makes real $$$.

  • wolverine19x89's picture

    Yeah, what kind of bitch says that she wishes she would have married somebody with more money? I thought we were past that whole "women stay home, men make the money" thing?... Oh nm, that's only when the soulsucking $#@$^%# are satisfied with their income, otherwise it's the guy's fault.

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

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  • bears1208's picture

    How much does your buddy make? Also does she come from loaded parents?

  • In reply to wolverine19x89
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    scottj19x89 wrote:
    Yeah, what kind of bitch says that she wishes she would have married somebody with more money?

    I'm pretty sure I've said that at some point in all three of my marriages.

    BTW...this has the makings of an EPIC thread. Just sayin'.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    wolverine19x89's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    scottj19x89 wrote:
    Yeah, what kind of bitch says that she wishes she would have married somebody with more money?

    I'm pretty sure I've said that at some point in all three of my marriages.

    thinking it is one thing, but to actually say that to your significant other? All I'm going to EXPECT from a girl is that she pulls in enough money to keep herself above the poverty line, of course a lot of people are going to wish that their wife/husband made more money, but to say that shit to the point where your husband/wife is thinking about divorce?

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

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  • APAE's picture

    Grabbing popcorn to wait and watch how this thread goes.

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  • GentlemanJack's picture

    The only thing that sucks more than marriage is a divorce. Not the being single part, mind you, (that part kicks ass) its the process of divorce that sucks. Tell him to get out NOW! The less they're married, the less spousal support he will pay. I've gone through divorce and I'm NEVER getting married again.

    "If you've never considered the possibility of murder then you've never been divorced!" - Chris Titus

  • getatme's picture

    Well he went from a frat house to monogamy in a year. What did you expect?

  • MagicKarp's picture

    During my senior year of college, 4 of my high school friends each got married. Then, I was like WTF. Now, 3 divorces (soon to be 4) later, LOL.

  • elephonky's picture

    We've really fucked up marriage in this country (not that other countries don't have it bad as well). People rush into it like three year olds who hear the ice cream truck and then they rip open the wrapper to their overpriced Drumstick and realize it's not exactly what they expected.

    Divorce is way too fucking easy. The societies that follow an arranged marriage setup have greater success because people don't expect anything out of it, and thus rarely find themselves wanting divorce. Forced love isn't a horrible proposition, because you'll always be in the best marital position (i.e. love will always grow if you know how to grow it). In this country we expect marriage to be easy, and once it gets hard we don't sit around and fight for it.

    Also, just to stir the pot a bit, those who oppose homosexual marriage rights have completely lost their argument that it would ruin the "sanctity of marriage" (Rick Santorum for President!!!11!1!). OP, I wish your friend luck in his marriage, or what he has left of it anyway.

  • Asinine's picture

    I always say if I ever get married before 30, I might as well give up then and there.

    "...Okay you know what? I'll do one!"

  • In The Flesh's picture

    This would be posted on Valentine's Day. My first thought when I read the title was, "Paging Dr. Braverman in 3...2...1..."

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  • M Friedman's picture

    Did you just say frat bros?

  • In reply to bears1208
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    bears1208 wrote:
    How much does your buddy make? Also does she come from loaded parents?

    Not sure how much he makes exactly. He works at a small fund. I don't know what he does at that fund. (not sure if he's doing asset management, operations, trading, etc)

    However, my guess is he makes at least 55-60k a year.

    The girl comes from upper middle class family. Her dad is a dentist. Not rich, but pretty well off.

    My frat bro told me that this girl had dated several very rich men before he married her. They dated in high school, but they broke up in college, then got back together after college and got married. When this chick was in college, supposedly she dated some rich guys that come from old money... and she compares other 'rich' men she dated previously to my buddy all the time... making my buddy miserable.

    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    I guess if you are set on marrying someone at some point, it is very important to evaluate if the girl is a marriage material or not. No matter how hot the girl is, if she's not marriage material, never marry that girl.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    wolverine19x89's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    if she's not marriage material, never marry that girl.

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

    "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

  • In reply to wolverine19x89
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    scottj19x89 wrote:
    Yeah, what kind of bitch says that she wishes she would have married somebody with more money? I thought we were past that whole "women stay home, men make the money" thing?... Oh nm, that's only when the soulsucking $#@$^%# are satisfied with their income, otherwise it's the guy's fault.

    A lot of women in large cities (note: NYC) are gold diggers to certain extent.

    The older men get, the more women evaluate men based on income/ wealth. However, some women cross the line and become huge bitches.

    That's why, imo, if you plan on ever marrying at all, it is really important to see if the girl in question is marriage material, or just good for fucking/ brief entertainment.

  • heister's picture

    Is she willing to get fucked in the ass to raise her income?

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  • In reply to heister
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    heister wrote:
    Is she willing to get fucked in the ass to raise her income?

    probably only if you are rich

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    heister's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    heister wrote:
    Is she willing to get fucked in the ass to raise her income?

    probably only if you are rich

    I was refering to me paying her money to take my dick in her ass. I dont want to date this bitch.

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  • In reply to heister
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    heister wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    heister wrote:
    Is she willing to get fucked in the ass to raise her income?

    probably only if you are rich

    I was refering to me paying her money to take my dick in her ass. I dont want to date this bitch.

    This chick is complaining that her husband is making around 60k a year... do you think she will fuck some random guys for 200-300 bucks??

    Bitches like this are in for large prize, not small-time supplemental income. Talking about marrying a hot-shot surgeon clearing 500k+ a year, an I-banking VP, or a rich bastard who comes from old money.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    UncleMilty's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:

    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    In the wise, wise words of Jimmy Soul:
    If you wanna be happy
    For the rest of your life,
    Never make a pretty woman your wife,
    So from my personal point of view,
    Get an ugly girl to marry you.

    Of course, since this is extreme, too, you're just better off being realistic and evaluate closer, non?

    "When I was young I thought that money was the most important thing in life; now that I am old I know that it is."
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  • Something Creative's picture

    I'm married and my wife is great. I knew her when I was poor and she has been with me the whole way. She doesn't know much about sports but doesn't bitch when I want to watch a game. She can piss me off at times cause she is a woman, but overall I'm stoked that I happened to marry a good one. So I don't think it's marriage itself that's the problem , I think it's who you marry and what it means to you that's the problem.

    I was late 20's when I got married, but the premise still stands in my opinion, regardless of the age.

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  • In reply to UncleMilty
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    UncleMilty wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:

    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    In the wise, wise words of Jimmy Soul:
    If you wanna be happy
    For the rest of your life,
    Never make a pretty woman your wife,
    So from my personal point of view,
    Get an ugly girl to marry you.

    Of course, since this is extreme, too, you're just better off being realistic and evaluate closer, non?


    Nah, just get some girl who hasn't experienced life so she can have a quarter life crisis and divorce your ass to be with some college dude or something.

  • AlsatianCousin's picture

    I'm surprised no one asked this yet: what does the wife do for a living?

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    Only if you're not rocking her world and making the hundred other guys she's slept with look like lames.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Flake's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    heister wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    heister wrote:
    Is she willing to get fucked in the ass to raise her income?

    probably only if you are rich

    I was refering to me paying her money to take my dick in her ass. I dont want to date this bitch.

    This chick is complaining that her husband is making around 60k a year... do you think she will fuck some random guys for 200-300 bucks??

    Bitches like this are in for large prize, not small-time supplemental income. Talking about marrying a hot-shot surgeon clearing 500k+ a year, an I-banking VP, or a rich bastard who comes from old money.

    He's 2 years out of school making 60k? I would be a cunt about it too.

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  • bears1208's picture

    ^ the average income for a grad right out of school is between 30 and 40k. He's doing alright and most people not in IB or consulting will be making, at most, 60-70k at 24. A little bit of perspective goes a long way.

  • In reply to bears1208
    Flake's picture

    bears1208 wrote:
    ^ the average income for a grad right out of school is between 30 and 40k. He's doing alright and most people not in IB or consulting will be making, at most, 60-70k at 24. A little bit of perspective goes a long way.

    But daddy needs new shoes =(

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  • In reply to Flake
    bears1208's picture

    Flake wrote:
    bears1208 wrote:
    ^ the average income for a grad right out of school is between 30 and 40k. He's doing alright and most people not in IB or consulting will be making, at most, 60-70k at 24. A little bit of perspective goes a long way.

    But daddy needs new shoes =(


    Bitch needs to get a job and buy them herself. Especially if they don't have kids.

  • In reply to bears1208
    Cardinal's picture

    bears1208 wrote:
    ^ the average income for a grad right out of school is between 30 and 40k. He's doing alright and most people not in IB or consulting will be making, at most, 60-70k at 24. A little bit of perspective goes a long way.

    Also you have to consider COL 60k in the Midwest/South is a lot different then 60k in NYC. Not sure where this guy lives but 60k isn't bad at all in lower COL places.

  • accountingbyday's picture

    There are 3 lessons here:
    1. Take time to decide if you really want to get married before doing anything stupid
    2. If you do want to get married, wait at least 3-5 years after college
    3. Don't marry a b%*#@

    It sounds like this guy swung and missed on all three of these.

    I have been married almost 2 years now and overall, it has been a great experience. Sure she frustrates me sometimes, but I'm a fairly selfish jerk at times so all in she's basically a saint. So far, the good FAR outweigh the bad.

    I've actually had a few opportunities to make more $ where I'd have to travel a lot and my wife actually preferred that I not take them (and I didn't). Ultimately, it was my decision, but the money didn't really matter to her.

    Real moral of the story - don't marry a b%*#@

  • Pike's picture

    Thats a terrible situation...but there are always outliers

    XX

  • In reply to AlsatianCousin
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    AlsatianCousin wrote:
    I'm surprised no one asked this yet: what does the wife do for a living?

    She's a journalist. Not sure what kind of journalist she is. (sports journalist?)

  • In reply to bears1208
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    bears1208 wrote:
    ^ the average income for a grad right out of school is between 30 and 40k. He's doing alright and most people not in IB or consulting will be making, at most, 60-70k at 24. A little bit of perspective goes a long way.

    Some girls, I guess, fantasize about having a luxurious lifestyle I guess... especially for this chick, since she dated some rich guys before marrying this dude, my guess is she wants a husband that can provide a baller lifestyle.

    When I saw her, I could tell she was into vanity and luxury. She was carrying brand name hand bags and one time she asked her husband to buy her a brand new luxury sports car.

    For marriage, the lesson for us is clear: stay the FUCK away from damaged/ used-up goods: girls who 'gold-digged' before marriage, or fucked a bunch of guys before marriage. Chances are this type of girl will constantly compare you to her previous lovers and if one of her previous men was richer or better than you in some way, she will let you know about it... which would be fucking miserable

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    Only if you're not rocking her world and making the hundred other guys she's slept with look like lames.

    Imagine marrying a girl that had dated 100 men before you, and dated several very rich men who bought her expensive watches, hand bags, and other gifts. Now, you are married to this girl, and this girl is still living in that materialistic fantasy, while you are working your ass off for that 60-70k salary...

    Not to mention, if the girl had way too much dating history or fucking before marriage, that implies her inability to settle down with one dude and she keeps searching for something better. This trait can't be ideal for marriage.

    You see what I am saying? This is exactly what is happening to my buddy. And, I hope some of us can learn a lesson or two from this.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    Flake's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    Only if you're not rocking her world and making the hundred other guys she's slept with look like lames.

    Imagine marrying a girl that had dated 100 men before you, and dated several very rich men who bought her expensive watches, hand bags, and other gifts. Now, you are married to this girl, and this girl is still living in that materialistic fantasy, while you are working your ass off for that 60-70k salary...

    Not to mention, if the girl had way too much dating history or fucking before marriage, that implies her inability to settle down with one dude and she keeps searching for something better. This trait can't be ideal for marriage.

    You see what I am saying? This is exactly what is happening to my buddy. And, I hope some of us can learn a lesson or two from this.

    The lesson is...make more than 70k?

    Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

  • GentlemanJack's picture

    The lesson is DONT FUCKING GET MARRIED

    Seriously. I'm going through a divorce right now and the whole process will turn any woman into a beast from hell! On top of that, you get these lawyers whispering in their ear about how they need to go after this, go after that, etc. The fact that there is no such thing as a "good" divorce story should tell you that being in a marriage is a bad idea. It's not in human nature to be married - it's a MASSIVE mistake.

  • In reply to GentlemanJack
    Flake's picture

    GentlemanJack wrote:
    The lesson is DONT FUCKING GET MARRIED

    Seriously. I'm going through a divorce right now and the whole process will turn any woman into a beast from hell! On top of that, you get these lawyers whispering in their ear about how they need to go after this, go after that, etc. The fact that there is no such thing as a "good" divorce story should tell you that being in a marriage is a bad idea. It's not in human nature to be married - it's a MASSIVE mistake.

    Scary shit. I think there needs to be vesting schedule for wives, like with your 401k and deferred comp.

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  • In reply to GentlemanJack
    wolverine19x89's picture

    GentlemanJack wrote:
    The lesson is DONT FUCKING GET MARRIED

    Seriously. I'm going through a divorce right now and the whole process will turn any woman into a beast from hell! On top of that, you get these lawyers whispering in their ear about how they need to go after this, go after that, etc. The fact that there is no such thing as a "good" divorce story should tell you that being in a marriage is a bad idea. It's not in human nature to be married - it's a MASSIVE mistake.

    If it didn't work out for you, then it won't work out for anybody! amirite?

    -_-

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

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  • In reply to Flake
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    Flake wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    Only if you're not rocking her world and making the hundred other guys she's slept with look like lames.

    Imagine marrying a girl that had dated 100 men before you, and dated several very rich men who bought her expensive watches, hand bags, and other gifts. Now, you are married to this girl, and this girl is still living in that materialistic fantasy, while you are working your ass off for that 60-70k salary...

    Not to mention, if the girl had way too much dating history or fucking before marriage, that implies her inability to settle down with one dude and she keeps searching for something better. This trait can't be ideal for marriage.

    You see what I am saying? This is exactly what is happening to my buddy. And, I hope some of us can learn a lesson or two from this.

    The lesson is...make more than 70k?

    For women like this, even if you make 150-200k a year, it may not be enough.

    Women like this are fantasizing about luxurious lifestyle, with a bunch of Channel & Louis Vuitton handbags, Porsche 911, expensive vacations, baller mansion, etc etc etc.

    Better to stay the fuck away from women with these 'gold digging instinct'. If I meet a girl like this, and she's hot, I would just fuck her and be done with her. No serious relationship or marriage with a girl like that.

  • In reply to GentlemanJack
    Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    GentlemanJack wrote:
    The lesson is DONT FUCKING GET MARRIED

    Seriously. I'm going through a divorce right now and the whole process will turn any woman into a beast from hell! On top of that, you get these lawyers whispering in their ear about how they need to go after this, go after that, etc. The fact that there is no such thing as a "good" divorce story should tell you that being in a marriage is a bad idea. It's not in human nature to be married - it's a MASSIVE mistake.

    This sounds truly awful, man. I am sure I won't get married at least until I am 35 years old. I might want to settle down by then... with a 22 year old fresh college girl

  • In reply to wolverine19x89
    GentlemanJack's picture

    scottj19x89 wrote:
    GentlemanJack wrote:
    The lesson is DONT FUCKING GET MARRIED

    Seriously. I'm going through a divorce right now and the whole process will turn any woman into a beast from hell! On top of that, you get these lawyers whispering in their ear about how they need to go after this, go after that, etc. The fact that there is no such thing as a "good" divorce story should tell you that being in a marriage is a bad idea. It's not in human nature to be married - it's a MASSIVE mistake.

    If it didn't work out for you, then it won't work out for anybody! amirite?

    -_-


    OK, then go ahead and tell me a story of a friendly divorce. As soon as you can tell me one, I'll retract my previous post.

  • In reply to Sexy_Like_Enrique
    GentlemanJack's picture

    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    GentlemanJack wrote:
    The lesson is DONT FUCKING GET MARRIED

    Seriously. I'm going through a divorce right now and the whole process will turn any woman into a beast from hell! On top of that, you get these lawyers whispering in their ear about how they need to go after this, go after that, etc. The fact that there is no such thing as a "good" divorce story should tell you that being in a marriage is a bad idea. It's not in human nature to be married - it's a MASSIVE mistake.

    This sounds truly awful, man. I am sure I won't get married at least until I am 35 years old. I might want to settle down by then... with a 22 year old fresh college girl


    I wouldn't do that man. I would find me an older woman that already has her own house and all her own shit squared away. In this scenario, you *might* have to forgo having kids (as I have) but if you care about your sanity, it's the way to go. The last few women I've dated, and my current one, are older, have their shit together and don't care about how much I make or building assets together. I want the woman that already fleeced her ex-husband, I'm not looking to be the ex-husband who gave it all up. When you put that out of the equation, the relationship is much better.

  • In reply to Flake
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Flake wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote:
    One lesson I learned from my buddy's situation is NEVER marry a girl who had many dating experiences. If the girl fucked a lot of guys and dated a lot of different guys before marriage, chances are she will compare and contrast you to her 'previous lovers'. And, that would suck a lot.

    Only if you're not rocking her world and making the hundred other guys she's slept with look like lames.

    Imagine marrying a girl that had dated 100 men before you, and dated several very rich men who bought her expensive watches, hand bags, and other gifts. Now, you are married to this girl, and this girl is still living in that materialistic fantasy, while you are working your ass off for that 60-70k salary...

    Not to mention, if the girl had way too much dating history or fucking before marriage, that implies her inability to settle down with one dude and she keeps searching for something better. This trait can't be ideal for marriage.

    You see what I am saying? This is exactly what is happening to my buddy. And, I hope some of us can learn a lesson or two from this.

    The lesson is...make more than 70k?

    BOOM. I wouldn't watch two monkeys fuck for 70 grand a year, and she's right to feel like she could've done better if she's the least bit hot.

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