You guys are gonna LOVE this one. Allow me to introduce Brittny Pierre, a New York fashion blogger and confessed "dinner whore". This classy dame ran a scam on nearly 100 guys in New York through 2011, and I'll bet all the money in my wallet that at least one of them was a WSO member.
What kind of scam? She trolled the online dating sites and Craigslist to lure guys in to pay for her meals. In a sick way, she used some pretty admirable game theory to pull it off: she preyed on New York men's giant egos by posting an ad claiming to be looking for her "Ryan Gosling".
'The amount of men who think they’re Ryan Gosling in New York City is alarmingly high,' Pierre noted.
Her modus operandi was chatting with a would-be ‘meal ticket’ online in the hopes that he would offer to take her out on a date to a restaurant of her choice, which Pierre said would happen 90 per cent of the time.
Classy, no?
And she took a few guys deep too, especially when they pissed her off by not focusing 100% of their attention on her:
'I made sure on that date to order the most expensive dish on the menu,' Pierre recalled. 'Even though I hate seafood, I got lobster and ordered dessert and it was the best meal of my life!'
I have to kinda laugh at this (especially in light of her career prospects as a fashion blogger - seriously, are all the good waitress jobs taken?), but I imagine some of the guys she ripped off didn't see the humor in it.
So fess up, fellas. How many of you dated this chick? Where did you take her? What did she order? At what point did you know it was a scam?
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but who takes a chick to dinner on a first date? Nothing but downside in that move (as she proved over and over again).
Early afternoon cocktails is the call. That way you know she's a day drinker, you know what she really looks like without being stuck with her at a table for a couple hours, and if it works out she'll probably be a lot more...ahem...accommodating by the end of the night.
But that's just me.
"Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off"
Afternoon cocktails is the way to go. You can have a terrible time and still salvage your evening or you can have a great time and still get enough rest so that you're not hung over for work the next day. I'm at my most productive the day following afternoon cocktails and an accommodating evening. I would never even consider having a first date at a restaurant on a Friday or Saturday night "I call that getting swindled and pimped shit."
I'm not mad at her. Do your thing girl. If guys want to simp, somebody should enjoy the spoils.
It goes without saying. Be mindful of where you take any girl on the first date. Taking her to a high priced spot the first date just sets you up to get taken.
Bro's set up a poor investment screen. Dollar slices and 40s, baby. Any girl who goes with that is totally down to DTF.
Haha this is awesome. Gotta love it when a girl can actually pull off the "thinking like a man" thing.
Who the hell is Ryan Gosling? EDIT: he's a Mickey Mouse Club guy? Who wants to be that?
Also, love the picture about the gold digger.
The bitch from "the notebook"
I read that in Dave Chapelle's Voice:
"Who the fuck is Renee Zellweger?"
This sounds vaguely familiar. It may have been the same girl, but there was another article about this kind of bait and switch a year or two ago.
Agree completely, honestly, you shouldn't be taking a girl out to dinner until you're really dating. If you're feeling it out, or only trying to sleep with someone, why the fuck would you pay for their meals? These fools deserve to be taken for a ride in my opinion
Edit: she's not even good looking this is unreal. why. in. the. fuck. would you pay to take this woman out? ESPECIALLY after meeting her online?
Call me old-fashioned, this is not to be admired on any level, even if the guys were suckers who probably deserved it. The minute someone shows that level of disrespect for me or my wallet, I'm making her pay half. If she considers herself a whore and wants to act like one, she isn't doing it on my dime.
I just took a look at the article via the link that chronicles this woman's pursuits and frankly she is a beast. Why any self respecting guy would pay money to take her to McDonald's much less a five-star restaurant is beyond me. She had to have offered a whole lot more than an ego boost by offering the guys the opportunity to be Ryan Gosling.
Plus, she has to be a complete doofus to actually have her face online to broadcast to the world that she was looking for Capn Save a Ho on purpose.
That she wanted the guy to pay for everything is a red flag...
what did she order, fish fillet?
haha. this.
The "reformed dinner whore" in the picture at the bottom is WAY more attractive than the main one.
Dinner is for girlfriends. Everybody loves a day drinker.
I wonder if she keeps her husbands dick in her purse or underwear drawer? I'd rather die alone on the frozen tundra than have a relationship with a "reformed dinner whore" turned marriage where I get to spend my weeknights on a "2 in the kitchen" cooking show and have photos taken of me where I I hold my reformed dinner whore as a prize while she holds me like a hand bag she won at auction.
Who the fuck takes a girl they met online to dinner on the first date. Furthermore, who the fuck lets them choose.
These guys deserve to get milked. Clowns.
I dont get it. Why not take them to dinner?
This is awesome
A friend of mine emailed me this. Funny video, not related, but I am feeling the need to share it and don't feel like making a thread.
I'll just leave this right over here:
http://www.vladtv.com/video/161122/smalls-family-take-notorious-bigs-wa…
As one comment on DM puts it well - "Old news. Men have been using Internet sites for the sole purpose of "free sex" for years now."
YES! This is the really awesome part about the thread. Men and women compete with one another to see who can extract the most from the other side at the least cost -- men want to get laid without having to pay for it, women want attention and free shit without having to put out. This is just the way nature intended it. Like most markets, the interaction between buyer and seller is usually zero sum and it's unlikely that both parties will be equally satisfied with the transaction over time.
I agree with all of the comments in the thread -- the girl's a bitch -- but it's also funny to see how butt hurt everyone is about it.
You know what? This girl, who is a 6 at best, trolled over 100 men for free expensive dinners -- if you conservatively assume $50 a dinner (which is probably low), that's over $5,000 of value she extracted for almost nothing in return. Hats off to her, she's a hell of a competitor.
"Dinner Whore" is really false advertising. There wouldn't be any complaints if she was a dinner whore. She should be called a "Dinner Tease".
Call me a cheap ass, but I would NEVER pay on the first date with essentially a total stranger. She'd get fucked one way or another if it was me she was eating dinner with...
Last time I checked a whore was someone who gets some form of payment for sex. Since she didn't put out..the word whore is too good for her - parasite is more fitting.
PS I'd love to get a feminist perspective on this as well.
Wow, I thought she'd be WAY hotter...
Yeah because men never lie to get sex. I do it all the time. She didn't break the law or kill anyone. She just trolled some really shitty participants in the game who were hoping they could show up, buy her affection, and get a piece. She won. These guys are sorry, that's pathetic on their parts, and apparently there are a ton of suckers walking around.
Basically, these guys are like retail investors. They show up, start throwing money around thinking there's going to be some kind of profit gangbang, and they end up getting fucked... and not in the good way. You can't feel sorry for people like that.
You have to be shrewd in markets. If you're not, someone will take you. Recurring theme across all markets. Caveat emptor.
Every woman is a whore. This girl was just more brazen. Bottom line: if you have any money, you[r wallet] 'll be taken for ride.
Really interesting perspective from some of the guys here. So first date. How could you suggest drinks when girl mentioned or prefers dinner? Surely dinner is the better way to make an impression. Or am I way off base?
You've got it backwards, bro. It's she who needs to make the impression.
Listen to this man, he knows what he is talking about.
On dates, don't go to dinner. Show up late, lean back, don't express too much interest. If she starts talking about boring shit, change the subject to something more interesting. If she starts being a bitch, push back or leave.
Don't view the woman as a prize. If you're reasonably in shape, college educated, and have a high paying job, haven't been to prison and don't have any communicable diseases, you are incredibly marketable as long as you are not horrible looking or have some kind of social skills defect. Fucking act like it. Women end up settling all the time for less than anyone with that description has to offer.
Thought she'd be hotter. The real question is why the hell are they blowing their cash on her?
+1 SB to the dinner whore
25 is in fact the turning point. I noticed a huge difference in how easy it is to pick up women once I crossed that age threshold, and it's gotten even easier now that I'm 30. Once you hit 30, most of your competitors are either off the market, overweight, or on a track to nowhere (marginally employed with an XBox addiction). Women prefer older men and if you have your shit together and enough confidence to approach women and talk to them without coming across as a dork, it's a slam dunk. I barely even have to try, I just show up places and meet women and the rest takes care of itself.
Moral of the story is, gentlemen, it gets better. There's no reason to get married until you're in your late 30s if at all.
Women have a trajectory starting around 15 and peaking at about 30 and then gradually declining from there. Men don't even really get started until 25 and we don't peak until 50 or later (provided you don't become a huge fat ass or something).
Thought it was all downhill from 17 on for women?
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/science-proves-it-the-bes…
Again I'm amazed by your gaming theory. But the truth is, the guy who never gets married and is in his late 30s raises HUGE red flag in normal women's eyes (women who marry for love). It usually indicates some kind of 'defects'... If the marriage with a gold digger or a ugly/heartless bitch doesn't bother you, please go ahead and delay it till your late 30s.
I think it's a bigger red flag for women at that age who are not married than men. Men can get away with being a bachelor because that's pretty much our normal impulse. Women, peoples perception at least, are actively TRYING to get married up until that age, so when they are still single it means they have the deficiency. As a guy sometimes you are too alpha to get married in your 20s because you don't want to be tied down..
SB... this is very true.
Being in my mid-20s and hanging out with guys that are a few years older, it is disturbing how aggressive 26+ yr old girls are.... and these were probably the stuck up girls back in college who thought they were the sh!t. Things change when they can't find stability and are desperate for attention. Imagine how they feel when many of their best friends have long-term boyfriends or even husbands.
I disagree on the age point. I think girls peak at 21/22. Sadly, my long-time gf is 24 and I have noticed the difference already.
I need to post this on my wall. Great post Ravenous!
Some dude should reverse troll her. He should just let her order all the food that she wants.
"I need to head to the washroom"
and BOUNCE.
Now, lets see how she going to settle the bill.
"Hang in there, it gets better" honestly feels like cold comfort to a lot of people. Plenty of folks are just looking to date someone nice who shares their values and likes to go out and do stuff. Can't always put an age on that kind of thing, in my opinion.
No, the message wasn't "hang in there" -- just that it gets even better. If people are struggling now, it's up to them to make changes. This stuff isn't rocket science.
As humans, we usually find ways to rationalize our actions; that I agree with. However, the idea that it gets better for professional men is 100% fact. The ability to quantify it is almost scary; it could be a law of the universe.
I asked my girlfriend about peak age/characteristics. She implied that it was a sexist line of reasoning and women should be valued based on their personality/intellect.
Ah, to be young and idealistic.
LOL When you want to catch fish...do ask a fish for advice, or the veteran fisherman?
Oh DBC you so bad.
This is the fucking truth.
Oh snap.
Just end the date with "I'm going to pay my part of the bill at the bar".
I love your username and how it applies to this thread.
Guys that put the pussy on a pedestal (PTPOAP for those playing at home) usually don't know where it's actually located and thus have no idea that it belongs in the cupboard under the sink. If you've graduated college with a job, are self-sustaining, don't have debilitating autism, and can dress marginally well (I say this because you don't even have to be that good looking anymore dude, the vast majority of guys are absolute bums so as long as you can outwork the guy pumping the gas even if he's Brad Pitt you should have a solid advantage here) then you're pretty much the one who should be playing from a position of power. Women are mostly the ones who are actively searching and trying to prove themselves to the rest of the world. As a man, you have the amazing advantage of not having a fixed and very small window of time to be at your all-time best. I don't want to take anything away from women - they can have great jobs and do just fine on their own - but they do have a biological clock that we're fortunate enough not to have... and it gives us an amazing advantage. While I wouldn't condone womanizing until you're 50 (unless you don't give a fuck about kids), I totally agree that you shouldn't be throwing yourself at women BradyMVP-style trying to find ways to prove yourself and attract the first gold-digger that notices you're wearing a Rolex.
It's every WSO monkey's dream: you're the interviewer on a first date. You are finally the one who gets to make them answer all the tough questions. And it should be all shits and giggs for you... after all, you're the one with the fuckin' job.
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What about a Cannibal Corpse show? If she gets pissed off and leaves, you can just party with the band the rest of the night.
What about finding love... a meal even an expensive one is a cheap way to eliminate the riff-raff. If you're really into her then you will pursue her
Point being you don't always have to spend enormous amounts of money up front.
Suppose you have established tht she is the one. She earns a fraction of what you earn. Joel Robuchon is your canteen, not all expensed though. If you pay for her meal there, do you think you are being taken advantage of?
Much appreciate comments from @EB, @BH, @ITF. @ITF thank you for your comment earlier.
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