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did you have to do a case on a white board in front of 2-3 ATK people?
and to answer your question - my only insight is good people/international (diverse) office
yes, had a case presentation ....
any more info guys?
erm... i always thought Deloitte's strategy practice was more "prestigious"... just below MBB. my source? vault rankings and people on this website.
http://www.vault.com/wps/portal/usa/rankings/individual?rankingId1=248&…
what is your ultimate goal? is ATK paying you more? are you trying to go to b-school afterwards (sorry... not sure if "associate" is post-bschool role in MC)?
Goal is not MBA, associate is a post MBA role. Trying to assess the value/brand of ATK and exit opportunities if I decide to quit in future.
mbb or bust
FWIW, I know plenty of people who've made the jump from ATK to my MBB in the last year or two.
While they're both on the same tier, I think ATK and Deloitte have different sorts of strengths...ATK is really good (or at least has the reputation of being really good) at procurement and supply chain type work (think sourcing, network optimization). I frankly don't know what Deloitte's good at, I just think of them as "not as good at MBB or an elite boutique" but with nothing to hang their hat on.
If you're into ATK's specialities, then it might be a good move (but definitely validate w/ other sources)
Appreciate your responses so far ...
How does ATK stack up against MBB, in terms of brand and quality of consultants?
I've always considered the elite boutiques (Parthenon, LEK, Oliver Wyman, AT Kearney, etc.) to be slightly higher in terms of prestige, selectivity, and exit opportunities than Deloitte S&O. Not significantly higher, but still higher.
However, this could just be b/c Deloitte's other branches may be diluting the branding of its S&O practice.
Thanks chickenbiscuits ...
You're kind of getting ahead of yourself if you're thinking of ATK exit ops right before you even officially start at ATK.
ATK is great. I know people in the industry that work with them and who work there, and I've heard only great things. On firmsconsulting, they go over how FIRMS view each other in terms of prestige (they rank this by competitiveness of new business competition) and McKinsey actually rates ATK almost at the same level as Bain/BCG.
Who cares what a bunch of people on this site say about prestige? 95% of the world won't know any consulting firm except McKinsey and Bain (as evil).
What matters is B-school admission statistics, which you can get from ATK themselves.
Case closed.
Just my .02
I don't care what anyone thinks. But people on this site are so prestige-hungry, and from that standpoint, there isn't a difference. OMG within consulting world people will go "whoaa you're at ATK, awesome!" Same thing in Advertising if I work at McGarry Bowen. But no one on this site gives a shit. Prestige is so arbitrary and hallow, which is just a general rant on this topic itself.
From what I've gathered(just from hours of web browsing and discussion etc.) it's a prestigious firm known for operations work. If you don't have another offer, then the discussion is moot beyond the point that you are in a good place especially considering that I know a lot of people falling flat on recruitment in general this year and last year even though theyre extremely qualified (BBs and consulting). So unless you have a plan to compare it to, just know youre in a great place. What are your other options if you have any?
agreed with Xepas and chickenbiscuits posts
@Xepa - great comments ...I agree with your perspective.
@ConsultCarbine - alternative is to stay put at Deloitte.
The responses on this thread and definitely helping me shape my thinking. My concern was industry pigeonholing ATK as "operations boutique" v. treating consultants from ATK as full fledged / well rounded mgmt consultants.
My background is not operations, btw.
You can dig into the pigeonhole question very quickly simply by asking the ATK people you interviewed with/met about the work they've been doing lately. I have never thought of them as an ops boutique, though I have heard complaints from Deloitte people about getting stuck in some crappyass town doing ops for 8 months. I don't really think pigeonholing is an issue at the firm level. It's what you do once you're in.
Operations consulting isn't that different from strategy consulting. It's not the same as implementation.
http://firmsconsulting.com/2010/01/02/does-mckinsey-only-do-strategy-wo…
I think Ops Consulting would be pretty awesome actually but thats just me.
Great information guys, thanks!
accepted ATK!
Congrats! I'm sure you'll like it there.
AT Kearney's Future (Originally Posted: 07/30/2013)
What do you guys think - where's the firm headed?
They're in the tier that faces the greatest pressure, as MBB moves downstream and Accenture/Big 4 ramp up their fight for engagements.
Others like AT Kearney (Booz/Roland Berger) are rumoured to be targets for Big 4 acquisitions, so do you think they face the same future? Or can they expand their strong strategy practice in Europe to a more global level and be a player in the end-to-end consulting space?
bump - interested to hear peoples opinion
I wasn't aware that they have a strong strategy practice in Europe. My impression of them has been that they have been steadily shifting their focus to operations consulting. They acquired quite a few companies lately that don't have anything to do with typical strategy consulting.
My $0.02 - I think where Monitor lost out... was growth in Asia. AT Kearney has built a significant presence in India, and a growing presence in China (as have McKinsey and BCG). Booz's bet on the middle east has served them well too (I was talking to a manager from Booz and he said a very very significant chunk of their revenue comes from EMEA). Why does this help? I think it's because the Big 4 aren't REALLY international. For example, Deloitte Consulting USA is completely different from Deloitte Consulting UK, and while the Big 4 Consulting practices are growing and eating into the "boutique"/implementation/ops market in the US, that's not necessarily the case in other countries.
So what would you say is the difference between Deloitte in the US and UK?
AT Kearney merged once with a much larger company (EDS), hated it, and bought themselves out a few years later (2006). I can only imagine they would consider a buyout/merger if really strapped, which I don't see happening in the near future.
Well let me add my two cents to this conversation.
1.) With respect to ATK future. I would say they somehow found their niche within operations. If they can leverage that expertise in combination with their global presence they can build on solid revenue streams. I am from Europe and cannot confirm your point when you talk about ATK strong strategy practice in Europe. As far as I am concerned they are quite small in most of the european countries compared to other players such as Roland Berger, Mck or BCG. Thats why i am thinking that they are still a valid target for an acquisition by a BIG4.
2) With respect to the global diversity of the Deloitte network. Deloitte UK and Deloitte US are probably the two branches that have the most incommon, which is: agressive sales, high daily rates and premium reputation. However, internationalty of staffing is weak compared to e.g. Oliver Wyman. This rises mainly out of the fact that Deloitte has pretty big organisations in all of the european countries.
A.T. Kearney (Originally Posted: 12/03/2009)
Anyone with experience and knowledge about AT Kearney?
Thanks for any input!
*bump
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