July in Texas has me actually succumbing to the marketing power of the bro-startup companies that are hawking sweat-wicking dress shirts. I've occasionally seen users mention mizzen+main, twillory, state and liberty, etc.
I don't trust the reviews of these things on their websites, and if you try to google for reviews you get paid ads from business insider or equivalent blog-style pages.
So I come here with these questions:
1. Do they look professional enough for business casual setting?
2. Could I throw a tie on one for a wedding for the annual outdoor Texas wedding in a barn in the summer?
3. How do they hold up over time? Any stretching or sheer after a year of wear?
Massive fan of mizzen & main...here's all my shirts in my closet minus a couple of tees & gym shirts. my closet. All mizzen & main, so i'm not just trying to hype it up without reason.
They feel just like gym shirts and don't look tacky/fake/cheap or whatever you naturally think of when you hear this stuff. Here's $50!! off, with free returns. I would go strictly with leewards and avoid spinnakers. I've been a consultant & now work in finance and believe, so I understand the importance of dressing up, but nothing was worse than hauling a boatload of shirts over to the dry-cleaners and paying $10-15 repeatedly. Or sweating to death in the summer. Or looking like your in high school wearing an undershirt.
Yes, they definitely look professional enough. They come in pretty conservative patterns as well as casual patterns. Nobody can really tell you are comfortable and they are miserable. The fact that they don't get wrinkles if you forget about the shirt in the laundry, stuff in in a suitcase, in a backpack/locker on the way to the gym, or toss it in bed with you goes a long way.
If you have to spend the energy treating your clothes so delicately you won't be able to actually have peace or focus on work.
I find top button a little tight for me on mizzen & main but your mileage may vary as they dont come in the same arm+neck size like other shirts. If your going to wear a tie wear the blue label as they have a bit larger collar. Again - fit is subject to every person. I think they are in an athletic cut and they fit ppl well as the stretch allows for you to find a fit easier.
I tried state & liberty, they had very odd sizing for me, but everyone is different. Material felt a bit 'cheap' as well. Never tried twillory.
All these places come with free returns so I'd say just buy two different sizes if your inbetween or not sure to get a feel and then just return if you don't like. Once you find your size you can hit up ebay or other locations for substantial discounts.
TLDR;
best shirt is mizzen+main, you wont' regret it. Check out their instagram @mizzenandmain and look at the tagged pictures. use link above to try it out at limited time $50! Here's $50!! off, with free returns discount. Good patterns, comfortable as hell!, no sweat stains, no yellow collars, impossible to wrinkle, look legit, investment into not paying for cleaning.
I used your ref code to get a blue label white shirt to test out. Also ordered some twillory and 2 different material bonobos (tech casual and jetsetter dress) to try out.
Hey LeonTree when you get the Bonobos shirts, do you mind updating us with your thoughts on the Bonobos tech casual and jetsetter? Can confirm the quality of M&M that everyone has iterated already
Cool, hope you like them. Blue Label IMO at least is probably only needed if you want to wear a tie...if you aren't going to wear a tie then I think the regular leeward style will work & comes in more patterns.
Anyone else reading this - don't be an idiot. Buy this or give it a shot at least. The referral link was really helped to save $25. Was poking around in market myself at these as I was tired of being uncomfortable at work.
Also, I've been in finance & top consulting for many years now and so I understand importance of looking good as well. These don't look cheap and don't feel cheap. They look better than the 'top notch' brands I got in my closet.
I ordered 2 shirts in different sizes to figure it out. Returned one I didnt want. Also for anyone else scared of price, again don't be....but also after you figure out size, like the poster above said, check out ebay. I snagged a shirt there at a large discount. Will buy more.
Glad the helped! Yea, not having to walk to dry cleaners all the time is a huge time saver
I was kinda hesitant due to cost but figured I’d give them a try. But figured I’d try them out since there was free returns and guy above was kind enough to share link for $25off.
Just got back from a trip to Houston & Dallas for work Let’s say I’m sold. Here’s picture of few of my shirts. These are a life saver for anyone who wants to be comfortable or doesn’t want to waste effort worrying over wrinkles or transportation/laundry. Also makes my life easier for going to gym before work as I can just stuff shirt and stuff in bag and not have to worry about anything.
See the crumpled up one? That’s how I packed them in my backpack. These are truly wrinkle free and sweat doesn’t go through them.
I love them and ended up buying a few more on ebay like I think as recommended somewhere here int his thread or elsewhere at huge discount. Would just advise ppl to find pattern they desire on official website & take advantage of discount code above.
I know this is older post, but referral link above was valid for me and helped me save a few bucks.
EDIT - looks like I can't post pictures, since I'm new. So disregard that.
great, glad to hear it!
@jumping_gators Curious if you've tried their sweaters?
I saw that they are going to be coming out with some sweaters and was wondering how they felt? Love their shirts, and curious if their other gear is same type of top notch comfortable functional stuff.
Also, anyoen who purchase, did you get the 'Maverick' or 'Damon' patterns? If so could you share a picture with me with jeans or something? Hard to get a feel of color patterns since photos are HD on their website
Haven't tried their regular v-neck sweaters before. I have their black and light blue quarter zip pullovers and those are extremely comfortable. Same time of performance/easy care stuff as they are known for but with warmth.
They aren't too 'hot' or 'warm' but are 'just right'. I often wear them instead of my Lululemon one since it is more comfortable and serves both for walking to gym & at work.
I'm a big fan of Banana Republic and Polo shirts. I am very much a slim fit so if you're into that both of these are great options. I only shop from the outlet stores though-- amazing deals if you can play the system. Get a BR credit card if you like them; it's worth it.
I live in AZ I understand the heat dilemma. They withstand.
Have M&M and S&L - love them both but would give the nod to M&M (yet a little more expensive). As said, Both have easy returns. Try one of each and see what you like.
Also interested as I have seen a lot of ads for State and Liberty, Twillory and M&M. Anyone have any thoughts in terms of the quality and wear and tear of products?
My response is in reference to Mizzen and Main as well as Bonobos Jetsetter dress shirts:
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the heads up on Bonobos. Big fan of the chinos and have some T-shirts as well, didn't know about the tech business casual shirts or the jetsetter dress shirts. Ordered some of both to try.
If you're familiar with Brooks Brothers sizing, you'll find that Bonobos Standard is similar to Brooks Brothers Milano, while Bonobos Tailored is ~1" trimmer through the chest and waist, and Bonobos Slim is ~2" trimmer.
What do you guys think is the best pair of pants to pair with the M&M?
For work the best pants are Ministry of Supply (Kinetic Dress pants or Chinos) and Bonobos Tech Chinos.
For more casual, Outlier makes a tech pant that's highly regarded called Slim Dunagrees
How’s the bonobos pants compare vs lululemon? Another pair of pants I tried that was good was bluffworks....not really stretchy but a good technical fabric.
I ended up getting their suits due to the machine wash/anti wrinkle/ and performance fabric.
Would actually try the pants Mizzen main has on their sale right now. They are very comfortable but all sizing might not be available. Definitely pass for dress pants. I just wear the charcoal chinos they have.
Also, how does the Trim fit vs. the Trim Tall? Not sure which of those to decide between
Trim Tall if you are 6' 2" or taller, At 6 '1" its probably a push,
Probably comes down to if you want to tuck in. I’d order both and return the one you don’t like fit of.
On another note , they have a 60% off sale today.
Brands that use simplified S/M/L sizing will often add "Tall" variants that have the same measurements through the chest and waist, but slightly longer sleeve lengths.
If you're lucky enough to go 4-for-4 with collar/sleeve/chest/waist with one of these, congratulations! If not, you may decide to trade off performance fabrics for fit, and go with a brand that offers collar sizes in 1/2" increments and sleeve lengths in 1" increments, with multiple cuts to accommodate different body shapes.
Suspects include Brooks Brothers, Bonobos, Charles Tyrwhitt, Jos. A. Bank, T.M. Lewin, plus Nordstrom and Amazon's private label brands
Anyone tried out Twillory?
Decent, but noticeably lessor quality than MM or Bonobos Jetsetter.
Buying Bonobos just confirms you're head is so far up your ass.
There's no reason to buy Bonobos. Same shit elsewhere, and it has no brand value. It's attempting to buy something designer, that isn't even designer.
What fuck am I reading here?
a. Learn to spell and write a complete sentence b. Enjoy your JC Penny's shirts
A) keep wasting money on Bonobos. B) you sound like the type to call the cops about a message board post you disagree with. C) take your own advice pussy.
I've tried most of the brands for performance dress shirts. Basically, they all suck and this is an unsolved problem in the athleisure industry. You want a shirt with noticeable stretch while also maintaining high cotton content.
The cotton is what gives your shirt some structure so it doesn't drape and look like you're wearing a jersey. The problem is, most cotton performance shirts only allow 2 way stretch, or about 4% elastane, and it is barely noticeable thus not worth your time. Cotton also sucks up water and makes your shirt feel heavy and damp in those humid climates.
Most of the 4 way stretch options usually use a synthetic blend that has no cotton at all. As a bonus, the synthetics are typically great for wicking away moisture unlike cotton. These shirts try to play off the weird plastic texture by using patterns like gingham or plaid to hide the fact you're not wearing a traditional shirt. Still, you can't hide the lack of structure. Even with collar stays your collar will never look as crisp as a standard dress shirt.
The only company i've seen that comes even close to a middle ground is Outlier. In fact, most athleisure clothing brands were inspired by Outlier and try mimic their ideas. You'll notice on their website though that they've basically given up finding the perfect shirt. I've watched them regularly coordinate with suppliers and beta test several iterations of their dress shirts to no success. The closest they've made was the freecotton dress shirt with 60% cotton, 30% nylon, 10% elastane, much like their very successful 60/30 chino. This was a huge at the time because they used some of the latest, most innovative fabrics from Scheoller. They kept up production for a few years but ultimately considered it not worth continuing.
https://shop.outlier.nyc/shop/retail/freecotton-button-up.html
Thought I'd mention I also tried out the referral link posted above for mizzen and main...my order came right before that funny Phil Mickelson commercial came out. I think their Leeward shirt absolutely drapes like a cotton shirt. I wore it to an important meeting today an actually got a complement on looking 'sharp'.
I'd agree with your statement otherwise - I had spent a while trying out different shirt brands and they all felt funny or cheap. Mizzen+Main is very different and I'd encourage people to give it a shot and just return if it doesn't work out. Not having to worry about wrinkles if I stuff it in a suitcase or sweat stains in the summer, etc is worth it.
Completely agree w/ 0to100....a few months ago I set out on a god damn mission to find a truly comfortable dress shirt that I could wear in a formal work environment (and that would still look good / save me from getting ripped apart by my colleagues) so I purchased dress shirts from all of these upcoming brands such as Mizzen&Main, State&Liberty, MOS, etc. and the "performance" versions from more established brands such as Hugo Boss, Bonobos, Lululemon, etc....conclusion = there is nothing out there in the marketplace for highly formal work environments e.g., investment bankers, consultants, lawyers, buyside analysts, etc. The quality just isn't there yet and the shirts are all noticeably different from your typical high-quality cotton dress-shirt. In other words, I now just have a closet of shitty and stretchy dress shirts that I'll probably never wear (unless I make a career change in the future).
This is not on your list but I have had good eperiences with Uniqlo. Cheap, good quality, stretch and basic. I don't heat up in them either. Nothing fancy but get's the job done
I've given them a try but wasn't too my liking. Mizzen+Main really helpful to me because of the performance fabric and despite what some other people say, here I think it works perfectly fine.
Everyone is different and body shape plays a big deal in clothes - one reason why everyone prefers something different and why the hint of stretch is meaningful to some but not others.
I got a mailer for a Tommy John dress shirt. Looks like it has some stretch. Anyone try one?
I’ve tried most of these stretch brands and most are pretty bad tbh, the exception being Mizzen And main. Their all going to be priced a bit higher but you save on laundry and convenience / maintenance. That said obviously check it out, but I’d check our Mizzen And main first
heads up to everyone - discount got upgraded to $50 off first order. Also ebates is doing 10% cash back right now.
Finally, I think someone else mentioned rhone here or someone else - they are legit. Like them a lot better than lululemon for workout stuff.
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