Be greedy when others are fearful - are we at the bottom?

Just a general discussion here. I'm no expert but here's where the Q originated:

Investment advice from Warren Buffet is to be greedy when others are fearful. I was watching an interview with Howard Marks who effectively said, following that advice blindly can be dangerous. Following this advice can sometimes make you a contrarian for the sake of it and what's really important is to ask yourself 'why do you believe the consensus is wrong?' i.e. if others are fearful, understand WHY, AND why they're wrong, before being greedy. He used a humorous example:

3 people move out of the way of an oncoming truck. You jumping in front of that truck doesn't make you a contrarian genius, it makes you an idiot.

He concludes that he doesn't believe in forecasts and he thinks its much more important to understand where we are now as opposed to predicting what is to come.

That led me to ask, WHERE ARE WE NOW!?

S&P 500 has fallen c30% YTD, the fastest bear market ever. One could say the market is being 'fearful', but does that warrant being greedy now?
I've read a bunch of articles claiming equities are cheap. Mark Howard is buying, Bill Ackman is buying (I'm not saying they're right but hey they are more knowledgeable than me!).

What metrics are you looking at to evaluate whether the market is oversold? valuation multiples, earnings revisions, rate of change in new COVID cases, rate of change in deaths, unemployment etc. Or is this all speculation and not a question worth asking at all?

Interested to know in what people think!

 

While I can't predict the future I feel confident saying it will get worse. We haven't even seen our first bankruptcy, first unemployment print, containment of virus etc.

When you're confident it can't get any worse, or that placing a purchase order makes you want to throw up into a bucket, that's likely close to a bottom.

That being said, if you're young and start DCA into this you'll do just fine.

 
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In order to assess whether we are at the bottom yet, let’s see how the current environment looks like.

Here are some uncertainties that govern investors’ reactions over the past 50 days:

  • Nobody knows how long will the pandemic last. Obviously, the longer the worse and there is no indication of slowing down.
  • Nobody knows if people who get sick will have immunity over the next potential virus wave.
  • Nobody knows how the transition period back to normal economic activity will be achieved and how long it will take.
  • Nobody can estimate the real economic damage to the backbone of the economy → SMEs
  • Nobody can estimate the second derivative of the sell-off effects, i.e. what will happen with the fallen angels and lack of liquidity.

A few facts about the virus:

  • Death rate varies between 0.5% – 7%, depending on population age, ICU coverage and extent of population testing.
  • Most of the patients do not present symptoms for many days, which makes the virus extremely effective in spreading.
  • No vaccine is expected before the next 12–16 months.

Now, a few economic facts and hard data:

  • Almost 50% of US corporate debt is BBB rated now and with most of the world’s population being under lock-down, it is no rocket science that big part of them will fall below investment grade.
  • Almost 3.3M Americans filed for jobless claims last week. This is 5x the previous record of 1982.
  • The Fed’s balance sheet just exceeded $5 trillion for the first time.
  • Markets are deep into bear market territories.

Now, about whether we have reached the bottom yet, we need to understand that coronavirus will not disappear overnight. It will be a long and gradual process lasting 3–6 months. I am afraid the worse is yet to come for markets across the world. The detrimental effects in the real economy are becoming more obvious day by day and translated into spikes in unemployment, mortgage payment delays, lack of liquidity and financing for SMEs, cuts in Capex and supplies, and lastly corporate and personal defaults. This is a self-feeding loop probably leading to what economists describe as secular stagnation.

The Central Banks were not ready to face such a crisis. Rates were extremely low already and their balance sheets were already loaded with a lot of public and corporate debt. Another stimulus plan may be the only solution now, but it is not sustainable in the long run.

**My opinion is that there is more way downwards, before we reach the bottom and markets will remain into bearish territory for many months after the “end of covid-19”. **

The important question is “What can ordinary investors do to prepare?” Being greedy is not necessarily the best idea :) Greedy on which asset class?

  1. You cannot time the market. You never could and definitely cannot start now. So, instead of guessing whether stock markets are going to rise or fall further after Covid-19, adopt a longer horizon. Get some exposure in the stock market but do it for the long run. There is no point to pick the best mutual fund, as most of them underperform the markets. Go for a cheap ETF. Robinhood or Vanguard will probably do for most jurisdictions.
  2. *Normal diversifiers *like corporate bonds are always necessary for an all-weather portfolio. However, keep in mind that in every liquidity crunch most of the risky assets move together and move downwards.
  3. Safe havens, like government bonds (US, Germany, UK) still have their place in your portfolio.
  4. Look for market-neutral alternatives. This can be alternative types of exposure, investment styles, methods, etc. Look for market-neutral assets and funds. At the toughest periods, the market-neutral investments will keep your portfolio beating. It is true that market-neutral exposure is not the easiest thing to achieve as an ordinary investor, but there are a few apps that try to achieve that. I find Daedalus Investment Platform interesting, but I am sure there will be others as well for jurisdictions not covered.
  5. Keep some cash. Not only as a safe haven but to also exploit opportunities when you identify them.

Summary: These are hard times for the markets and events that are unprecedented for our generation. It is and will be tough, but the best we can do is be prepared both for the virus (social distancing & healthy routine) and for our long-run financial plan.

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