Is value investing more or less frequent/pertinent - Now, 10, 20, 30 years ago?

Title summarises, but a few questions follows.

1) Is value investing as common as it used to be? & is there still a place for it in the market 30 years from now?

2) If you sit buffet & munger down now, would their value investing strategy still yield them great if not somewhat strong returns over the next 20-30 years? (Appreciating that they invested through some of the greatest bull markets & the outlook at the moment isn’t looking as strong as some of the bull runs have).

3) Has anything changed in the last 10-20 years that makes value investing harder (other than market efficiency)?

4)Will it be increasingly hard to be an activist in the future?

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Define "value investing". Buying stocks for than their net working capital doesn't exist anymore. Neither does most of the special sits style investing that Joel Greenblatt wrote about because he and his practitioners have picked up all of those free pennies. Buying equities at significant discounts to what a reasonable DCF / FCF based valuation would suggest and either making your return via share buybacks / cash return or waiting for multiples to mean revert is something pretty much every public equities investor with a holding period of longer than a week is doing / trying to do. Sometimes it works, sometimes you're right but you get your face torn off waiting for the market to recognize it (i.e. you're wrong). 

 
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value investing works but on the short side - find what "value" guys like because its "cheap" and short it

 

Regarding point 2- bull market or not it doesn’t matter. If you outperform in a flat or down market, your returns may still look crappy but you did better than everyone else did so you did a good job. Just have to be better than the average investor to outperform 

 
  1. Less common. Availability of data and news has made the short term more attractive in many regards. Yes, there will always be a place for people who can pick the right companies
  2. Probably, but that's mainly because Buffett and Munger have the personalities for long term value investing. A lot of "value" investors I know give up too short. There are still plenty of good value investors doing well nowadays.
  3. Availability of information makes finding mispricing harder. But I'd say main thing is temperament. You have to have a thesis and watch the market tear that thesis apart for potential years before things go well. Also, people have overly associated "value" with "cheap" which is not the case. Too many value investors either buy expensive but good stocks, or cheap but crappy stocks.
  4. Activism is a whole other thing I'm not too familiar with, but I'd say probably only because getting a reasonable stake in a company to demand changes is harder and harder, but then again CEOs get sacked super often nowadays so who knows. 
 
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In no particular order:

  1. Don't forget, the Berkshire guys made their money doing hairy deals initially. A BIG reason they gravitated towards their investment style is the sheer amount of dollars they have to deploy. It shrinks the universe of opportunities for you if you need to deploy that much capital. Some of their best trades have been what is essentially spec sits...
  2. A lot of "new" investing styles have been validated & scaled over the last ~30 years. These didn't exist before. Rentech's medallion performance has been sustained over a VERY long period now. These are all seen as substancially safer than they used to be = more capital flocking to these "new" strategies.
  3. The nature of public markets has changed so much. When Warren and Charlie started...there was basically no SEC regulation! Computers were not a thing, etc. Now, extreme amounts of regulation have kept companies from going public because the math doesn't work until you are a very very mature company. IMO value investing is alive and well in PRIVATE markets. Keep in mind there is a ton of liquidity in private markets in a way that has never existed before. There's basically no benefit in going public. If I'm a founder and I want liquidity, there's unlimited appetite at any scale more or less. For example, Stripe, Space X, etc are all still private...
 

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