Am I wrong to be “content” with bottom bucket?

All my life I have never been extremely bright or a “go-getter” or perfectionist. I was really really proud to break into IB from a non-target, and am just happy that I am even here and that I made it. I have struggled a bit adapting on the desk and feel like my poor first impressions has completely stressed me out and ruined my happiness.

However, I had a moment where I was like you know what? Who gives a shit? So what I will make like 10-15k less than the other buckets, so what they will think the other analyst 1’s are smarter, so what they are getting way more work than me (but I do realize they learn a lot more being on more meaningful things). I still have on my resume I am at a really strong NYC BB in IBD, and I will still be offered good exits. I am literally just happy to be here and happy to break in, and don’t care about comparing myself to the other hardos.

Thoughts on this? Is this a fine mentality and I am in a fine spot?

 
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Thanks for the response, you make great points. I am very new so don’t have any reviews/haven’t been bucketed yet but I could just assume thats where I will be (bad assumption to make I know) but my other fellow analyst 1’s are all complete rockstars.

I’ve been told I have a really good attitude and I definitely am trying to improve learn more and be better. I want to develop well, I guess I am just asking if it is ok to be bottom bucket for my mental sake, so I can stop stressing myself out so much and being sad all the time for having this feeling of bad impressions surrounding me.

 

Eventually you're going to have to be a decent employee SOMEWHERE to have a long career and make it to middle or upper management. 

That said, plenty of people fuck off at the junior level knowing that they're good interviewers who wont be staying at their current firm very long. It sounds like that describes you, so go ahead and practice the subtle art of not giving a fuck. Just try not to screw over your fellow juniors. It's not right (and they may be important connections one day). 

 
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I realize this isn't a popular opinion these days, but I believe short-term mediocrity tends to breed long-term mediocrity. I'm not suggesting that you need to be a stressed out, type-A basket case like a lot of folks in high finance. I am, however, suggesting you find something you care deeply about -- vocationally or otherwise -- and put your soul into it. You'll go to bed happier every night knowing you contributed to something.

Sounds like you've faced some discouragement adapting to the new team -- I've been there. Take it one day at a time, don't stress out about the small things, and don't beat yourself up if you put in good work and are still bottom bucket. But you're simply too early in your career to stop trying. Do good work, and you'll look back without regrets, even if things don't go your way. Rooting for you!

 

Financially I don’t disagree with the logic. And you shouldn’t let underperformance stress you out to the point it creates a spiral and leads to more underperformance rather than growth. What will hurt you is if your attitude / work ethic tank. The industry is very small and unless you plan to completely exit finance, your reputation from your IB stint will follow if it’s very negative. If you’re bottom bucket but with a good attitude and work ethic the reputation will still be solid.

 

I’m in a similar boat. From a non-target with a shit GPA. Took me a few years of working in other shitty analyst roles in tandem with 2021 going ballistic for me to make my break. But I made it.

Now that I’m here, I’m just here to do what I need to do and leave. I knew in my first month this career path is not for me. This culture is undoubtedly the saddest thing I’ve seen in my life. I know having this name and experience on my resume will set me up for a very bright future. All I care about.

If you were trying to be the next 30 year old MD, I’d tell you to step it the fuck up. But it seems like we’re in similar situations. So coast. Do quality work, but don’t bend over backward until you’re forced to (because it will happen). Most importantly, never fuck over your juniors.

Those will be the people we’re running shit with 10-20 years down the road, so best to curate the relationships now so they’re there for you later.

 

I would like to add that even at bottom buckets (maybe not absolutely the bottom of the pole), if you have a great working relationship and have a positive attitude towards improving and taking criticism, you will be just fine in my experience.

The point is that you already starting to fit into playing the long game instead of the sprint. Most people will be burnt out by early 30's in this industry. If you can somehow manage to take care of yourself and your image/reputation toward your peers and superiors, you will go far (albeit much slower than the ambitious go-getter).

My MO in this point of my career is 

1. Be reliable, create quality work, and try to actively reduce the amount of work so you can focus on produce better instead of being more productive. (Quality > Quantity)

2. Be personable/positive, strive to be a person that people would LOVE to work with. Either by being positive, upbeat, and/or just a great person to have on a team. (Find your niche)

3. Create healthy boundaries & build a reputation of strict professionalism, DO NOT mix personal with professional cause it WILL cause trouble in the long run. Slowly build a reputation regarding pushing-off deadline if it seems unreasonable (this will take some time and it goes hand in hand with Point 1). You'll know when it is successful when people respects your decision and starts to not question every move/asks you made. This is the holy grail of a career since you can start actually have WLB and you will be happier overall which then create a positive feedback loop to help you grind day-to-day.

 

No one knows where we came from and no one knows why we’re here. But yet we sit at a desk for 15 hours a day reconciling literal numbers. Literal. Numbers. It is all made up. What a waste of life.

I laugh at the people that are killing themselves day in and day out. For what? A couple grand more in a one-time year end bonus? seems minuscule at the end of the day.

this is coming from someone that was a top bucket analyst and associate. I laugh at that old version of myself. Have spent an incredible amount of time questioning this industry since then. Once you are senior level, it becomes even more riddled with BS - travel, cold calls, pitching, sucking up to people you never would care to interact with in your personal life.


I’m leaving this line of work for something more fulfilling, but I can confidently say that if you aren’t getting fired, collect that check and work less than the guy that sold his soul for a bonus that gets him one more vacation that he’ll never use. You’ll learn enough to convince people you know what you are talking about. And you don’t need “high finance” experience to get good jobs. 

 

When I was in banking, my view was always that I was never going to be a perfectionist, but I would but as much effort as needed to make sure I understood the work product and that people could tell I understood it. Would you rather be the guy known for making a pretty slide / perfectly addressing comments or known as the guy that understands the big picture, nuances in different businesses/deals? This way I was prepared for leaving banking while also maintaining sanity.

 

I think if you're a Y1 in IB and improving significantly, there is nothing wrong with being bottom bucket. It may sound strange, calling out tremendous improvement and still being deemed bottom bucket, but with the massive learning curve there is plenty of room for meaningful growth and development without automatically being top bucket. 

If your approach is to learn and grow as much as possible while not compromising your health and burning the candle at both ends, I don't see anything wrong with that. Maybe you aren't putting in facetime, dont respond to pings within the first two minutes, dont typically work Saturdays, etc., but you are still deemed a reliable asset on live deals and someone who can see the forest through the trees.  As long as you are learning, improving, and growing, being top bucket does not have to be your top priority. 

 

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