Are the Goldman 13 analysts experiences exaggerated
Spoke to friends of a roommate in the Healthcare and Industrials teams at GS who mentioned that they all were having rough experiences but it hasn't been over 100 hrs a week on end and many people are not looking to quit as a first year.
Was wondering how the experience has been across the street on how many people are having such rough weeks that they have contemplated quitting.
Personally at a sweaty mm Piper / Jefferies NY, and have been having a rough experience but not to the point where I absolutely hate what I'm doing.
Not OP ,but at a similar group to the ones described above at another top BB JPM MS, a few of my college classmates have also mentioned how it hasn't been mentally damaging per say but they absolutely hate the lack of freedom on weekends. Didn't mention any plans to quit or join PE.
it's really just the weekends tbh
worked till 5am on sat/sun/mon 4am on tues finally managed to get a decent night's rest last night when i got off at 1am but still only went to sleep around 5 for some reason lol
That sounds brutal tbh, my sleep schedule is just as messed
if you get off at like 12/1am do you still have trouble going to sleep early in general
Also concerned about this, incoming analyst at a place that is known to be sweaty and it's honestly scaring the crap out of me after seeing so many of these threads, really don;t want to think about what it could be a year from now
Have noticed that groups in Tech are getting destroyed due to deal flow at any bank. Not sure if this is the case in every single industry group. Have heard mixed responses from people in other industry groups.
TMT at my bank is getting absolutely crushed... 100+ hr weeks are the norm
TMT here at lower BB - getting crushed as well. bunch of analysts quitting too
Lol so many wishful thinkers. Just think of it as doing jail time. You won't see any of your friends and family for the next 2 years. Enjoy
I tried telling my employees this after their 10th straight all-nighter, but the ungrateful sods couldn't even keep their eyes open to listen to my speech! Will be looking for former investment bankers to work at the plant from now on, at least they're used to long weeks. Thank you for the advice Mr. Hoovertower! Treat it like jail, I like that idea. Will implement it right away and see if I get a little more elbow grease from these useless workers.
Fuck mental health, all my homies better be willing to die if they want those juicy exits
I bet WFH makes everything 1000000x worse even if aggregate hours are similar
Some parts may be exaggerated, but some are certainly understated. The impact to your body physically from being stationary for so long is tremendously bad.
If you are in a group with real deal flow, this should be your expectation and anything better considered a win. Pray that things slow down.
TMT groups across the Street are absolutely getting demolished. GS TMT was a horror show before COVID so I can imagine how bad it is now combined with the terrible, accelerated attrition there.
As noted above, the TMT groups are really the ones getting crushed the most out of all groups. I've heard a decent chunk of bankers say the GS survey is exaggerated but when I dig deeper into their backgrounds, I realize that they're all from non-TMT groups that have not experienced as great deal flow from the pandemic.
Every TMT analyst or associate I've talked to unanimously agrees that this type of lifestyle is unsustainable and even their group heads have said that they've never experienced such deal flow in their careers. Heard from a friend that at his BB the group head says they are turning down $500mm deals in the TMT space because they have no capacity, which is a pretty big deal given they're no GS / MS / JPM TMT.
At my shop, there are several first year analysts/associates that have announced 3 or more M&A deals that they were on soup to nuts. Not the norm in normal circumstances.
Friend is in a non-TMT coverage group and says he's pulled two all nighters this past week
That's definitely true. Deal flow has been great for people in terms of building their resumes. I'm noticing most people are leaving now right after their deals are announced so they're trying to get the most they can from their bank and then leave. In my group, 2nd year analysts would have usually only 1 deal done soup to nuts by the time they left. Now, first years have 2-3 deals done before they're even 2nd years.
Either way, things have been so bad in terms of workload that people are leaving as soon as they find a good enough job. And most aren't leaving for PE or anything high finance-like. They're done with banking and have realized that money is not that important to them to dedicate their entire lives and wellbeing towards.
not at goldman but another BB and the below pretty much sums up what my experience has been like lately
had surgery on a monday morning. told everyone about this far in advance and continued reminding them regularly up until the day of. this was a pretty significant surgery.. not like i was just getting my wisdom teeth out or something. i get home from the hospital later in the day of my surgery and immediately have to log on because i'm being blown up. end up pulling an all nighter that night and close to an all nighter on the next night, in a lot of pain by that point. by tjhe following evening i was in the ER with severe complications probably a result of not being able to recover. spent the rest of the week and the weekend in the ICU, where i continued to work and get blown up even after telling people what was going on.
so yeah.. not having a great time
Really sorry to hear that buddy - hope things get better soon.
This is just a sign of terrible culture. Did you tell them when they started blowing you up that you had just had surgery and have to recover as you had mentioned to them in the weeks leading up to surgery? I know you didn't want to get in trouble, but what if your complications were so bad that you ended up having irreparable damage because you didn't take time to actually recover and relax? Your job is absolutely NOT more important than your health.
yeah they were aware, when i logged on after getting home from the hospital i commented that the work would probably not be great quality since i was still kind of groggy from anesthesia... that didnt seem to phase anyone. absolutely nuts
Yeah this is unacceptable under all circumstances. If they made me work from the ICU I would be pulling those all nighters trying to lateral.
Your health is more important than whatever bullshit you’re working on. You could die and the first thing your group will do is staff a new analyst. Fuck your team seriously
Yea I don’t give a fuck enough to do work or feel bad about it. If I’m recovering from a significant surgery they can suck my nuts
While your group is evidently made up of the stinkiest assholes out there, it's ultimately on you to respect yourself enough to tell them to fuck off when they need to fuck off. If you don't come out and say that you're not going to work because you got out of surgery that day and instead are passive in the way you address it, you are inviting people to walk over you.
Take care of yourself, dude. Others clearly won't.
Probably exaggerated but hours and turnover def up everywhere vs pre COVID levels still.
Hours were way worse in the first 3-9 months after covid happened relative to now.
Worse then? M&A activity has been higher now than it was in Q2 and Q3 of last year. Maybe because RE below historical averages and tech/hc/fig are all at record levels by a big margin.
For me, yes worst weeks were in the COVID aftermath - don't work in real estate (just the header from when I made the account in college).
Not in TMT, but average hours since starting has been 93 based on my trackers. Have had multiple straight weeks above 100/105. I do not think the commentary from the GS analysts is super accurate in my experience (worse than foster care, etc.), but the hours have been pretty terrible. A few weeks I have been lucky to even shower/cook a meal from Monday-Friday.
I understand the hours have always been long in banking, but people are outright lying if they say pre-covid they consistently did 90+ every single week for 12-24 months with 95% of those hours being real work (as opposed to the in-office loafing: grabbing lunch, coffee breaks, team happy hours, etc.)
In a tech group, ~100 hours/week for several months (7:30/8am - 2am typically M-F + weekend work). I'm hanging on to the hope things change in the summer, but if not by Labor Day then I will be exiting the industry.
Also averaging 90-100 hours a week. Will add that there aren’t a lot of slow weeks, the range is much tighter... consistently 80-110 as opposed to 60 with a few rough weeks.
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