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Mar 14, 2018 - 5:16pm
I'm actually a squirrel, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Make sure you're guaranteed that IB analyst position. Hopefully it's not just them stringing you along.

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Mar 14, 2018 - 9:08pm
WallBreaker, what's your opinion? Comment below:

it Is a guarantee, I'm leaning towards taking the MO role. Thank you for the advice, would love to hear anyone else's thoughts as well.

Mar 14, 2018 - 11:08pm
Randhawa, what's your opinion? Comment below:

wat program is this? i'd love to learn more

Mar 15, 2018 - 10:27am
Little Sheep, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I agree it doesn't make sense. Why would a BB offer you a MO role then guarantee advancement to a highly praised FO role? Why aren't you good enough for a FO role? If this a JPM junior IB analyst, then it would be different.

Mr 305

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Mar 15, 2018 - 1:35am
kanon, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Is this a relatively new program? I've never heard of this before. The closest thing that comes to mind is there were analysts in a team at an EB/BB that did a lot of grunt/support work (initial comp spread, maintain quals books, pull research, help with some analyst type work) and the really good ones can lateral into the analyst program. But it's by no means a guarantee - it was just a potential avenue.

OP - when they say guarantee, is it mentioned in the contract? I'm sure there's a performance component to the "guarantee". And if it's performance driven, that could be subjectively measured. How many successful "graduates" have there been to the IB program? Are there some that you can chat with to get the full scoop? If it's not airtight, I'd probably think about the MM m&a role - which can lead to potential MM PE opps.

Mar 14, 2018 - 10:36pm
Thought Leader Entrepreneur, what's your opinion? Comment below:

If your going too work for someone else instead of starting you're own business you should at least go too a top bulge-bracket Hedge Fund like Meril Lynch, Wells Fargo, Nomura or RBC

Mar 16, 2018 - 12:47am
Bo Vice, what's your opinion? Comment below:

LOL "buldge-bracket Hedge Fund"

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Mar 16, 2018 - 12:48am
black mamba22, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Middle Office BB vs MM IBD (Originally Posted: 02/19/2013)

In terms of prestige, exits ops, and b school acceptance. Does the name brand of a BB go a long way?

Mar 16, 2018 - 12:53am
OkComputer, what's your opinion? Comment below:

This is almost certainly a hypothetical question

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
Mar 16, 2018 - 12:54am
snakeplissken, what's your opinion? Comment below:

OkComputer:
This is almost certainly a hypothetical question

hahaha ZING!

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Mar 16, 2018 - 12:55am
SilvioBerlusconi, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I would never want to recommend someone like black mamba to take any role within any bb; FO, MO, or BO. He should stick with something his own speed and start networking for branch positions at Dunkin Donuts. One coffee two splendas please!

"Yes. Money has been a little bit tight lately, but at the end of my life, when I'm sitting on my yacht, am I gonna be thinking about how much money I have? No. I'm gonna be thinking about how many friends I have and my children and my comedy albums."
Mar 16, 2018 - 12:59am
firestormllp, what's your opinion? Comment below:

@silvio I so wish I had a silver banana for you man.

@mamba retarded question and worse is that you never read anything if you're asking this.

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Mar 16, 2018 - 1:01am
LHDan, what's your opinion? Comment below:

black mamba22:
In terms of prestige, exits ops, and b school acceptance. Does the name brand of a BB go a long way?

People are reacting so strongly because if you want to do investment banking, it seems like a no brainier to take the MM position. MM is by no means shit and switching from MO to FO at the BB won't be easy.

Don't get mesmerized by the name of the BB; doing what you want a "lesser" firm is a better choice than doing something you don't want for the brand of the company.

Mar 16, 2018 - 1:02am
88888, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Career Advice - MM IB or middle office at a BB (Originally Posted: 06/11/2011)

This may be a retarded question but any thoughts will be appreciated...

Already recieved and accepted offer from BB in a mid-office role, now have opportunity at MM IBD. If I want to be in banking and eventually PE, is it no brainer to jump to the MM ibd?

Mar 16, 2018 - 1:04am
Independent Gestion, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Absolutely man. You wouldn't be a team trainer for the Miami Heat instead of starting shooting guard for the Clippers would you?

If you want IBD you might as well start there.

‎"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."
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Mar 16, 2018 - 1:05am
88888, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Thanks guys, anyone else? Mostly worried about burning the bridge at the BB.

Mar 16, 2018 - 1:06am
DavidS, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Going MO-FO is more acceptable and people will usually understand. It's when you renege for a similar role at a different bank that you really run into trouble.

Mar 16, 2018 - 1:08am
zman, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Definitely go with MM IB. If you mention anything at all when you decline, I would probably just let them know that you want your career to take an IB path. Not worth it to waste two or three years of your life doing something you are not at all passionate about. The opportunities after a few years working mid office might not even be that great compared to real IB experience. Good luck in whatever you decide.

Mar 15, 2018 - 12:43am
runNYC11, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yea I learned the hard way in my last job that unless something is in writing, it is not guaranteed. Prior to lateraling to this new company I was basically told that I would 100% be given a promotion within X time period, but due to some organizational changes it didn't shake out that way even though I was a top performer. It was fine because I quit anyways to go to business school, but just be wary about any "guarantee" that a firm gives you.

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Mar 15, 2018 - 12:55am
HighlyClevered, what's your opinion? Comment below:

This is very important. Unless it's in writing, it's not guaranteed.

Is it guaranteed even if you perform poorly in your MO role? What happens when you get a poor review because someone doesn't like your face?

Is it guaranteed because an MD made you a promise? What happens when he changes firms? Or gets hit by a bus?

Given that IB analysts are at will employees, I have a hard time believing you have a written guarantee to start a specific position a year from now. That means there's at least some risk involved, and you need consider that. Also, you can always try to lateral after a year from the MM role. If the goal is PE, I think MM IB to BB IB might be a stronger resume than BB MO to BB IB.

Not saying the MM IB offer is definitively the best choice. Just food for thought.

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Mar 15, 2018 - 9:52am
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