Is there a pay gap between A2A’s and MBA Associates?
I haven’t seen much on this topic here but was thinking about it this morning. Have you guys heard of / noticed an inherent total comp gap between A2A associates and MBA associates?
In practice I’m sure this comes in the form of A2A’s being ranked top (or near top) bucket while MBA’s comprise of bottom or near bottom bucket.
Of course, this is assuming that the A2A performs better and is better at his job than the MBA which feels like a safe assumption given my personal experience lol.
bump. isnt there also a crazy age gap? a2a associates should typically be like 3-4 years younger right
Yeah lol the age gap creates some hilarious dynamics too. I’ve had post-MBA Associates older than me. Most genuinely don’t give a shit and get it, especially career switchers, like you knew you were signing up for a reset, right?
But then there are some where you can almost watch the existential crisis happen in real time when they realize the guy giving them comments is younger than they are lol.
Like bro, wtf do you want me to do? I didn’t design the hierarchy. I was already a VP when you got here…
crazy age gap of 3-4 years? you should see how companies outside of IB/consulting work. there are plenty of people who report to someone 20+ years younger. and it honestly doesn't matter: people just collect paycheck and live their life. nobody cares that their manager is younger. there are plenty of rich kids out there whose daddy will put them in a top school and get them a top position - you just focus on yourself. and life is not all about climbing corporate ladder.
MBAs naturally ramp over 1-2 years, which is why A2As almost always rank top bucket. Part of it's performance, part of it's having 2 years of group knowledge and political capital. Things level out at VP once MBAs are fully ramped. Most complaints come from first-year MBAs still ramping or the subset that never actually ramp up. Once a solid MBA is productive, they are the same if not better than A2A's (ideally due to having more maturity than their A2A peers). Most complaints come from analysts who can't stomach that someone worse at the job makes way more. But remember: that MBA has zero IB experience vs. your one year. That said, there's a small subset of MBAs who never actually learn the job, they just "manage" and coast. Those people suck for everyone and drag the general reputation of MBA's.
Also, there's massive variance within each cohort. Some MBAs hit the ground running and ramp in 6 months. Others take forever or become "managers" early on without knowing how to do the work. Some A2A's keep working as hard as they were initially, other's coast and just collect their paychecks before leaving.
In my group the top bucket associate has been an MBA guy past 3 years.
MBA asos are pretty retarded and tend to rinse out in first 1-2 years. The ones that stay in the game for 3 years+ and get promoted often become really good (survivorship bias).
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