Most Helpful

very interesting deal. a trend in PWM has been to broaden the base of clients. MS, ML, and UBS had been losing the fringe client to schwab, etrade, TDA, fidelity, vanguard, because of higher costs and whatnot, but mostly because of a lack of diversity on their platforms. as a client of one of the big firms, you had no access to self directed trading (or limited), archaic technology, and so on. so basically you had full service advisory (what I do) or self directed advisory (what eTrade does) but they never resided at the same companies.

then Merrill came out with merrill edge and everyone held their collective breath. it's turned into a good lead source for full-service advisory. imagine you're retired at 60 with $10mm, you love your merrill guy, but your son & daughter who are just starting out (maybe in late 20s/early 30s) don't need your merrill guy and are likely turned off by his old school way of doing things. they may need advice, but also want some DIY tools and technology. merrill edge set the standard for this, giving these folks a simple, low cost way to get advice without paying full freight (for admittedly less service, but if they don't need it, who cares).

in addition to that, merrill/morgan/ubs have been losing corporate business to low cost providers for years. say you work at a company and part of your compensation is in stock, companies like the big 3 would administer the plan, charge a token amount for that, but then capture the wealth from executives selling out of their stock. the only problem is the lower level employees with stock don't want to do business with the big 3 as they stood, and companies like eTrade/fidelity/schwab realized this. they lowered their costs (after all, they're not paying their brokers well) and started taking business from the big 3 and have leveled the playing field a bit. this move gives MS a very competitive position in this space and from a corporate side, puts them ahead of merrill and UBS (arguable who's #1 in private wealth, but we'll leave that alone).

finally, all firms want to say "yes." the old days of only doing business with people worth a certain amount (at the firm level) are gone. in the old days before online brokers, you had to stay at a big firm (maybe buy stock after college graduation, do that first IRA rollover, and go from there) but now people are starting at discount brokers and getting sticky to them, rarely leaving. this is another way for MS to stick its claws into all types of clients, from the new employee who has $5,000 worth of stock all the way up to billionaires, it can be done at one firm. merrill was already there, but this move arguably puts morgan ahead.

etrade customers won't have higher fees, if they're smart, they'll keep etrade products the same pricing (you can make it up by giving clients shitty spreads on market orders, schwab does this all the time), they'll just increase the reach of MS's advisors, stuff like that. won't affect IB at all, won't affect MSIM at all, this is purely a play within wealth management/PWM.

 

Agree with everything you are saying, and the name of the game in PWM is AUM growth. Given that so much of the market is already saturated, it seems to me that the large players are almost acting like utilities in how they are relying on M&A for growth.

I'm wondering who advised as well.

Array
 

At about 5.2m customers they paid $2,500 / customer.

Using price/customer would be fine super high level. If I was diving deeper I might take a look at it from the following perspective:

In my experience D&I businesses have a few main revenue sources: - Income related to D&I balances (Interest Income revenue rates on varying balances such as loans / investment securities / cash / etc.) These will all have varying yield rates which can probably be estimated / looked up from quarterly filings. - Non Interest income (revenue from commissions / fees) - I'd overlay what fees / rates / services I think MS may decide to change and the associated volume impact that an increase / decrease in fees may bring about. - Incremental to that would likely be some assumption of how MS thinks that having these relationships with ~5m customers allows them to capture incremental Economics by bringing them into the "MS ecosystem." This could be through various loan origination activities / higher fees on a blend of more custom investment portfolios (as brofessor mentioned above about self directed vs. full service vs. blended advisory) etc.

High level math in my head would assume they paid a fair price, especially if they were able to keep IBD fees low using In-house counsel. Would definitely still love to hear your perspective on this though thebrofessor

 

im with thebrofessor on this one. interesting deal and makes a lot of sense for MS. It gives MS access to a large volume of "smaller" clients that may not be full-service clients at the moment, but can graduate up in the future. they also picked up 360 Billion worth of AUM. I am sure a small portion of that can convert to some sort of "in house" product. I don't know anything about MSs platform, but my guess is that e-trades tech stack is miles ahead - so there's another plus.

 

My guess would be a select read-in group of senior bankers from the MS FIG/M&A groups, and then they bring in another bank to do the day to day and grunt work.

The reason being is that you don't want any internal leaks to the PWM team who also sit in 1585.

Array
 

I'm pretty pissed, I had a final round with e-trade coming up next week. Might pull my app, don't want to join and then get reorged in 6 months

 

Huh? The MS discussions were secret. The company keeps hiring as normal, except now it's no longer normal. MS says they hope to realize $400M of savings through various synergies, that means cutting shared services. They will cut all Etrade stuff (and people) that they already have and will keep all of the Etrade stuff that they paid the premium for.

 

Quis eum cum voluptates voluptas non aut. Quisquam eligendi minus quo voluptates odit et fuga eum. Doloremque molestias ut quibusdam voluptatum eum sed.

Enim eum voluptatem voluptas ab consequuntur magnam fugiat sunt. Et in corporis non a. Quaerat ut maiores ipsa facilis. Omnis sed excepturi dolores ut libero dolorem et. Rerum commodi et doloribus modi.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (87) $260
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (14) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (146) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
3
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
4
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
5
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
6
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
7
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
8
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
9
DrApeman's picture
DrApeman
98.8
10
Jamoldo's picture
Jamoldo
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”