My Investment bank refuses to fire me
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Just shit in his coffee mug, that oughta solve the problem.
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Okay well, if you want my unironic and real advice, start shit with him. We had the case of a colleague beefing with colleagues and other MDs, and they fired his ass only now, even though he had been sloppy, unreliable, and a general shitshow for quite some time already. Belittle him in front of clients or other MDs, demand unreasonable things, etc.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/woman-claims-cantor-fitzgerald-coworkers-…
Cantor Fitzgerald trading floor...coworker shit on someone's Bernie Sanders mug
Just work as usual man, you knew this when you signed the contract. No need to burn bridges or act like a child
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I don't think you get my point. When signing for your initial job, you agreed with the terms, it doesn't matter that the "next job triples your salary", you signed the contract and should stop acting like an entitled kid. In your post, you say that you are "several months late on deliverables" and that "work quality is poor"
Get a doctors note for stress related absence and enjoy the next few months
Maybe I’m not understanding the repercussions but … Just literally stop showing up and start the new job when they want.
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No don’t sabotage anything I would just stop showing up. Let them sue. But that’s me
Is this Slovenia?
Get your lawyer to write an official letter to pay up for the overtime plus interest. If you have a lot of free time, maybe prepare a list of days with overtime based on your emails sent (plus the weekends).
Otherwise, just stop showing up. What's the consequence - they'll sue you?
Third option is overemployment. Get paid twice.
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His is best comment.... Not sure why you are... It.
If you breach overtime and you have evidence of MD forcing that then you should be settled
You cannot be forced to work a job. Just stop showing up and start at the FO
Interesting situation..
Last year, one of my sr analyst left to a buyside who had 3 months of garden leave in the US. They wanted him in a month. So he left after a month despite the management tried to make him stay for the whole 3 months.
Not too sure what he though
Not sure what country exactly but I would tread carefully. I have experience from Germany, where long notice periods are the norm, that companies can sue you for negligence and the price to replace you for the remainder of your contract period if you do not work to the expected standard/hours. Because you're obligated to stay that long under your contract, you would need to pay a break fee as well as your unearned salary back to the company to cover their loss of you. In my experience though, my seniors respected me enough to agree to let me leave before the full notice. It's a tricky place to be in if your company/seniors want to play hardball.
It's Denmark
Get a lawyer. But unless otherwise agreed upon in the contract it should not be 6 months since you have only been there for 18 months lol. Don't just "don't go", Americans don't understand socialism. The bank can and will sue you for damages.
He probably has weeks of over time over 18 months.
Probably doesn't record it all but probably has enough emails to show MDs and Directors gross ignoring any resonable expectation of working the alloted hours.
Have a lawyer prepped that and then you can leave. Cause otherwise he can just counter sue. And generally I think court will let him go on grounds he was leaving because of pressure to break alloted hours
Literally do the bare minimum required for the job. 39 hours? Do just that. Once you clock out of that time, send an email saying you are off unless your MD approves overtime for HR to process it. I guarantee you he will get major flak from HR regarding this after you work 20+ hours of overtime a week, and the firm needs to pay you xxxxx.
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There are 2 different things here:
1) how you work your notice
2) shortening your notice
3) double employ as an option
4) is that notice period legal? In some countries it could be challenged (in particular if they could fite you more quickly)
The issue is that if you behave like a naughty schoolboy, you’ll be treated as such and your leverage will be zero. So if you’ve already started, I’m not sure what you can do to get things to move in your favour because, ultimately, you signed up for that notice period.
I’m also guessing that your team is short staffed and that for your boss half a resource is better than none since he cannot replace you instantly. Maybe if he’s trying to hire you can weigh in and help him find someone & convince them to take your job quickly…
You literally cannot stop working for your current company? Is that not, like....slavery? Do you work for the Shah of Iran?
Can someone explain this to me? In America you can do whatever the fuck you want and the only downside is it might not reflect well on you reputationally. Even non-competes are only enforceable if they're aggressively pursued in the right jurisdictions against truly high level employees who are brining clients/other employees/trade secrets with them.
Like what stops you from just telling your boss on Monday, "I'm out by next Friday" and then never worry about it again after that? You can really get sued for this in your country? And then what, the courts will force you to labor against your will for nearly a year?????
Welcome to dark side of European style employment contract. The company can't fire you at the drop of a penny like "at-will" employment in US, seems like the flip side is employees can't get out of the contract either. I believe there is a 1 month "quitting" period like the 2 week notice but 8 months is way longer time than I have heard my European friends had to deal with.
Jesus christ, I want to be liberal so bad, but policies that rewards losers like these are hard to stomach. This sounds like it benefits people who suck (because it's really hard to get rid of them even if they actually are bad at their job) and punishes people who are good (because they wouldn't be getting fired anyway so they don't need downside protection but now also don't have upside of getting poached for a better job b/c they can't just leave their current roles)
The only winners of that are shitty employees and shitty employers, no? Bleh, guess America is still one of the best places in the world to be talented and hard working.
Only me, or did the employer not do anything wrong?
You signed the contract. If you do not like the terms, then do not sign the contract in the first place.
Could just start ‘working from home,’ take the new job and work there
Curious how it plays out for you. I work in Germany and have similar notice period terms (not exactly same though). At the firm in working I was under the impression that they don't usually enforce it and compromise can be reached, people are usually reasonable. But yes, it definitely makes job search harder. You should have told the new firm before signing the contract that your start date is uncertain. If new firm is also in Germany I think they would wait. In UK probably no chance unless they totally want you.
I would definitely advice against burning bridges, not showing at work, etc. They could potentially contact your new firm, talk bad about you, maybe even force legal action against them. And hence you could appear as less desirable candidate.
But yeah I find these long notice periods at junior or mid level are unfair.
How are you supposed to search for a new job or do any sort of career planning? Put your 6 months notice in and hope you'll find a job by the time you reach 3-4 weeks left?
In EU countries where this is normal, everyone expects that when they hire you for a job you won't join for a number of months until you finish your notice period.
Anyone else, but isn't this a dream situation to be in? It's like suddenly being a union worker or something. You WANT them to fire you, because you already have another gig lined up. The only threat is "breach of contract", so you just have to do the minimum that's spelled out in writing. Sweet!
Europe is so weird for this
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