RE: Notts VS Durham for IBD + Degree Questions
Hello all,
Thanks for the help on the previous forums I've wrote, it is really appreciated. Writing again now to help decide a new question that has arose in my mind.
My question: is what would be better for breaking into IBD:
- Notts 3-year Management B.Sc.
- or Durham Foundation Management (With potential to move into Finance/A&F after Foundation Year) B.Sc?
Assuming I get offers from both, I would be stuck between these options.
Of course, Notts is a semi-target which still place well in IBD - I have first-hand experience to this, with a personal friend of mine studying Economics having landed an amazing spring week in FO. The additional benefit of Notts is that they consider me for the 3-year course instead of foundation, which is lesser cost to me. My worry comes in, studying something less Maths intense in management may not be as desirable/enough to land a spring week.
As for Durham, perhaps it is just the prestige factor around it with it being the another university to hold collegiates, but I feel it has a better brand image for IBD. The benefit of this is I can move into a more subjectively mathematic intense degree like pure Finance or A&F after my foundation year, too. I feel despite the extra year of study, I would have to select this over Nottingham.
I also would love to know : what degree would be better of Finance and Management? Of course, Finance is more relevant + I would argue more challenging - but I feel I could also get a better grade in Management. I have read that degrees don't matter, but I take that with a pinch of salt until someone is able to affirm that.
I would be interested in your thoughts. Of course, it's not a pressing issue and I have not yet heard back - I am just curious. Personally, I'm leaning towards Durham for the fact I'll be able to study pure Finance + it's larger brand (to me).
Thanks.
I do science and did fine for spring week and summer internship recruiting so don't think it really matters. A lot of finance/econ students tend to struggle to stand out in apps so take that as you will.
Don't think either is amazingly better than the other tbh, go to the place you think is better for you. Not sure how a foundation year will be looked at but shouldn't be an issue assuming your a-level grades meet the min reqs.
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Iirc some banks use UCAS points so you *might* be fine. The cutoff is normally AAB or ABB.
I'd say Notts! You'd have a great time and have every opportunity to break in. Also could look to move to their Finance, Accounting, Management course once you were there perhaps? Would say the difference in degree is only for your own interest, banks probs won't care.
Immaterial difference between both though, pick what will you think will make you happier!
Hey, thanks for the response. I have chosen Management initially, but leaning to switching to Industrial Economics. Hell, I might even apply for both and find a way to fit them in. My priority is probably industrial economics as it is a higher value degree. I'm going to try select something I enjoy, but also is challenging - and I think it is a good mix as it involves some mathematics (more than management).
But yes, Notts is very attractive as I stay there for a shorter amount of time than Durham. It'll be a tough decision.
Have you considered Notts Industrial economics rather than management? Industrial economics has lower entry requirements than straight econ and is a lot more business-y (it is part of the business school and not the school of economics). Industrial economics students tend to have an easier time recruiting than management students.
For Notts, the degrees for FO banking roles would be IMO:
Econ (straight) > STEM, Joint honours economics courses > Industrial economics, FAM > Management > Any other degree your chances are negligible
Notts is a semi-target for a reason, you have to do the best degrees when at a semi-target. It has a very well-respected economics course hence why they get a lot of econ students in FO, but if you can't get on that I do think Industrial economics would be the best next step for you.
At the end of the day though university shouldn't just be about securing a FO role, pick a degree you'll enjoy and don't get too hung up on internships.
Great idea, I just worried that it is quite competitive given that I knew a lot of people who applied to this course (and got rejected over missing offers by 1 grade).
Naturally I thought they wouldn't accept my grades. I've since contacted them and, hopefully, - I can be eligible to be considered for this course - and, god willing, get an offer.
Thanks for the great suggestion - I wasn't even aware that this course was ran by the business department till recently, so didn't even know the course structure.
Firstly, pick the Uni you can see yourself fitting in at best. Durham has a notorious Oxbridge reject reputation and being an extension of Boarding/Private School so weigh that in. Secondly, Finance and A&F at Durham are not Mathematical at all, I would say whilst Durham is a very good semi target, you'd ideally want to do something like Economics, Mathematics, Natural Sciences or STEM/Engineering. For Nottingham, I would definitely say it's worth looking at Industrial Economics or a similar course.
Hmm,
I was so close to going to Durham, so I've been exposed to a lot of it already. I really like the small town city it's in, close proximity to Newcastle for easy access to things like shopping, etc. I've heard worse at Nottingham but again, it's closer to me and I could stay at home also. It's once that will be decided likely dependent on my offers, but I'm beginning to consider Notts a lot more given they can take me on 3 years, + their course in Industrial Economics is attractive.
In terms of ranking, I assume you would also agree Durham > Notts?
But thanks for your input, I will look further into finding similar degrees. I don't think my strongest foot foward is mathematics currently - but I am willing to work to make it better than it is currently. I chose management as it's something I'd enjoy most. I also understand I'll need it for the industrial economics course so it's of high importance. Just focusing on that in my gap year.
Durham isn't the only other collegiate university outside of Oxbridge.
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