Wanted to hear everyone’s thoughts on Rogo - my firm do not use them but I have heard mixed views on performance of the product and use internally.
Also curious about the company itself rather than the product capabilities. I can’t wrap my head around how they have received a 2bn val and the funding they have as well as recruiting from extremely impressive backgrounds.
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Model ML is more fun / flexible to use, honestly both are pretty close having tried both. In terms of val its really just following the Harvey / Legora wave, but you are seeing products gaps now vs generic Anthropic / OpenAI offering
On recruiting that's pretty much just people herding towards investors...and investors are just herding towards anything not the big labs (if they don't have allocation...)
Got you, what’s your take on where the legora/harvey/rogo etc. names are going. I just can’t seem to wrap my head around why they are growing and valued at the rate they are.
From my experience, most banks institutional banks are still using copilot as their core for AI internally and don’t necessarily see them moving towards or adding a rogo to their stack for example
Co-pilot internally has to be the dumbest thing, Like when was the last time Microsoft made a good product?
Its still a little hard to say but personally my opinion shifted quite a bit from 6 months ago. Back then it was all rave for full enterprise commitment to Anthropic or OpenAI. But now, especially with the fact that latest frontier models have safeguards / delays / usage cost skyrocketing...feels like people are pulling back a second.
Once that happens...seems like things shifted back to the apps folks (i.e. Harvey now doing post-training and will offer a software stack more like a inference + deployment in addition to consumer seats)...vertical finance guys (rogo / model ml / hebbia) will likely follow. Also obviously a bunch of noise with both China and / or US open source. So still a ton of things in flux. I just laugh at any banks trying to build their own stuff (at one of the BBs and our tech team couldnt even build a stupid buyer log internal software...they are not building good internal AI)
My firm has Copilot Premium (not sure if this varies based on what firm pays for, but models currently accessible are Opus 4.7, Opus 4.8, "Chat GPT 5.6 Deep Think," and "Chat GPT 5.5 Instant") and Rogo.
Regarding Copilot, great to use as a smarter Google, and it recently became capable of automatically referencing data / materials on our network without having to be prompted (which, it couldn't even access the drive prior to the upgrade to premium). As far as having Copilot put together a full pitch deck, credit memo, model, or other deliverable, it's a grand waste of time. It's great if you're doing research or have a question that can be answered by Google but would probably take awhile to find.
Rogo on the other hand is interesting. Right now, my firm has two tiers of Rogo, one of which they are super selective with who they provide a license to. The tier that a wider group has access to (I am in that group) is god awful. Occasionally, if pigs are flying, Hell's frozen over, and you won the lottery, it spits out something brilliant. The rest of the time, you'd be better off asking George Milton to do something for you. The "super" tier of Rogo, aka Felix by Rogo, is actually brilliant from what I've seen. Our model is super complex (probably overengineered) and not easy to work with; one day, I got a late Friday staffing and wasn't feeling it so I had one of my friends with Felix throw it in there. The thing one shotted it - minimal prompting and solid output (including sensitized cases). One thing it sucks at though is formatting, so I guess we all still have a job for at least a while.
Rogo is dogshit. Especially in excel. Decent for research but honestly think copilot has more use cases.
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