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Cheer up bud... it's not the end of the world. Whether or not you're let go, you'll look back at this experience with a smile. If I was in your position, I wouldn't quit but kickstart your lateral recruitment into high gear. Get LinkedIn premium, start setting up calls to speak with recruiters, and make an excel tracker for the positions you apply to, the people you speak to, and when to reach back out to them. In this market, it will be very tough to find a job immediately if you quit especially in your position so my best advice is to start looking for roles in corp dev, investment banking, private equity, strategic finance, etc. You will take a pay cut most likely but you can always come back to this industry if that's still what you want. Please don't harm yourself. The feeling goes away. My 2 cents.
Been in a similar spot. Just be honest with yourself when you reflect on your past year - if you’re actually good but got an unfair review (which happens), spend your time looking for other jobs.
Just don’t waste your time on projects with a group that doesn’t want you working with the team anymore.
Are you able to give us a sense as to what the feedback is without revealing too much personal info? The answer changes based on specific circumstances.
Is your review cycle now or in June / would promotions be announced in a month or in 6 months? If it's in 6 months, it won't be easy but there should still be time. I've seen a few people over the years who were told there was no absolutely no chance at a promotion turn things around, get the promotion, and ultimately thrive as an associate.
If your final review is in a month, I don't think there is any chance to turn things around. I'd spend the time looking elsewhere
If it's in 6 months, and I was in your shoes, I'd do my absolute best over the 6 months. If you were top bucket at one point, clearly people like you and want you to succeed. Perception may be that you took your foot off the gas or that you don't actually care.
I would treat the next 6 months as if I'm interviewing for a job or an intern in their first few weeks:
- Sit down with everyone you work with individually (associates through MDs, maybe even your group head). Tell them you really want this and are going to do everything you can to prove it to them. Ask for real feedback and show you're trying your best to act on it
- be the first one in the office every morning
- be the first to answer emails to the group asking to do stuff
- overcommunicate for everything, if there are conflicting deadlines, make sure everyone is aware and if you think you won't make something, tell people right away and early
- respond quickly, particularly at night and on weekends or when it's least convenient
- be consistent. If you try really hard for the next few weeks and then start to slip back into old habits, it will be counterproductive
Remember that this isn't binary. If you make a lot of headway, but ultimately fall short, there are people that will see your effort and help you find your next role or at the very least give you a positive review.
Also, remember that this is the beginning of your career. You have plenty of time to get your career back on track. The effort you've put in will not go to waste, as it will translate into a skillset that you'll bring to your next role, whatever it may be.
I’m really sorry to hear that man. It is times like this where we realize that our employers are unpredictable. They will always do what’s best for them, and what’s best for them can change day to day with market conditions. These are the same guys that gave you top bucket before, and they’re the same guys making you miserable now.
I just want you to know your time was not wasted. You are an intelligent, competent, competitive, industrious, dangerous individual. All those sleepless nights and completed projects were not for your company, they were for your own development and experience. You will still reap all the real rewards, since we are the sum of our experiences. Furthermore you have a top bucket performance review in hand and nobody can take that away from you. That is the reality, that is factual. Both in the sense that it’s in writing, but also in the sense that it is the truth.
Nothing I say can make this better but realize that you can use your experience and high performance reviews to lateral annd grow much beyond this setback and remember that better men than us have found themselves in this position. Steve Jobs got shitcanned from Apple, his own company, and then turned around and created Pixar, sold it to Disney, later rejoined Apple, and lead it to become the most powerful company in the world. Jamie Dimon got shitcanned from Citi by his own mentor and business partner, and later became the CEO of J.P. Morgan. These men wren’t stopped by catastrophic late career setbacks, rather they grew much beyond them. You will not be stopped by this early career disappointment, and you will grow much beyond this.
Honestly best bet is to keep looking while you have a job. Quitting=no severance, etc. whereas if you were laid off or fired you'd likely get something as well as unemployment (it's actually rare that an employer would say you were flat out fired). It's a shitty position to be in tbh given how the current market is but at least if you keep looking while you're working you will have a better shot as interviewers tend to view those currently employed more favorably (sad but true).
Just find a new job bro, they don’t want you working there anymore
Sometimes reviews are a factor of headcount - if your firm is downsizing, your managers may have seen it as an “it’s either him or me” scenario, and you know how that ends. Would split the time between improving and looking at another shop
There’s no need to be salty about your situation.
I know it’s rough but just find another job, you have 2+ years of IB so you can definitely land something good, at least another IB analyst 2/3 job or stay til associate then move after
Btw there is some few things to clear out here - just because you work hard does not mean you will get top bucket. Your work *product* must be great as well.
It potentially seems like you were focused on spending a lot of hours working but not efficiently working on the important stuff. I was in the same situation as well - worked multiple all nighters and got middle bucket. So I took care of myself (not working all nighters so I can actually focus on the next day generating quality product) and pushed away things that are not important, but absolutely killed the ones that were (modelling, board presentations, etc.) this will get you top bucket.
Or it could be politically someone does not like you well - but usually in the banking space if you are outputing good product, ASO/VP will absolutely want you as it saves them time.
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