Best route to distressed HF/ special sits fund?
Obvious way is to do RX at a bank, but at this point it's too late. I got a couple interviews and a superday at good places, but didn't make it in. Now at this point, I think I have roughly 3-4 options that I have a realistic chance of getting. My experience leans heavily to L/S equity, and I'm a rising junior.
- asset management at a top firm, like fidelity, wellington, or Dodge and Cox
- ER at a BB
- intern at a hedge fund doing L/S equity
- middle market IB
I'm fairly confident I can get one of the first two because the people who were at my internship previously went to those, and from seeing their work, I don't think I'm any less qualified.
The hedge fund would be nice, but I'm not banking on it. Currently in the Point72 process, but we'll see.
I think I might be able to get middle market IB as well; I've had a bunch so far, one scheduled now, and I think I can get a couple more.
So which would get me there?
Why did you blow your RX interviews?
Wasn't as prepared for the first one as I thought I was. They grilled me on technicals and I cracked. It's frustrating since I think if I did it again now, I could easily do it, but oh well. Not sure how I missed the one where I got to the superday. I thought I did well, but I never got feedback.
What kind of technicals were you getting? Do you recommend a certain guide?
L/S HF is your best option if you can get it
Do 3
Sure, but that's probably the least likely and hardest of the 3. What after that?
A few banks have a few SS trading desks
How exactly do you get on those? I'd like to try them, but do they have guaranteed placement/recruiting specifically into their desks? And which ones have them? And it seems that these desks are fairly small.
I'd like to try recruiting for HY or special sits research as well, but it's the same problem; tiny desks, and I'm not sure how to get placement there specifically. I don't think I'd want to sit at a regular trading desk doing structured products or FX or something.
Also again, my experience is very value equities oriented. How do I spin my story then?
I would focus on some of the smaller shops for HY / special sits desks. Cowen (old CRT), Imperial, Guggenheim, GMP, Cantor, RWP, Baird have good HY / event-driven product in my opinion. Blair is working on building out their HY business right now too and have a couple good distressed analysts. I don't know what recruiting is like for them though, but you're right the desks are small. I actually think I remember seeing a junior desk analyst posting for Cowen not too long ago (their HY biz is in Stamford). I would think it'd be easier to stand out at some of these places and I think exposure to clients is probably better too. I do really like Stifel's special sits desk too.
Of the BBs, I like WF, DB, Barc, and JPM published HY research although can't speak to the quality of their desk analysts. RBC has good HY desk analysis and tends to be more event-driven than the others. (In general, "event-driven" is overused in a lot of the product across the board in my view). I know Citi and CS (I think) have HY desk analysts but I really haven't spoken with em much. GS and MS have good HY strategy research but I don't see much from them in the way of individual credit analysis.
You could also try maybe HY sales. I see sales -> research a little.
Another thing to keep in mind is that not all of the above cover distressed scenarios. GMP / Cowen / RWP / Imperial / Cantor / Stifel do for certain, but for the most part the above only focus on performing HY credit. So if you're interested in learning distressed specifically, you gotta be at a place that doesn't mind dedicating brain power to tracking the Ch 11 process. For more esoteric special sits, Cowen does a lot with converts / SPACs / other weird rights offerings and Imperial likes reorg equities.
The problem is that you don't want to spend too much time in equities that you become type cast as an equity guy. Difficult to go equity -> credit if you're too far into your career.
Not all of these firms take junior people either, and I'm not sure which have dedicated training programs. It can be difficult to learn the nuances of credit on your own, I think on the job experience is important. I think I remember hearing that Barcs HY desk takes one junior a year or something but I could be wrong.
I spent all of my internships in value equities and moved to HY / distressed for FT. My pitch was that I spent a lot of time learning about exceptional businesses but wanted more exposure to the factors that could lead to a good business failing, and then the restructuring process that helped fix it. I also stressed that I felt I had a solid understanding of equity, but couldn't be a well rounded investor if I didn't understand the credit part of the capital structure. The latter part really resonated with people and I had a lot of success with it.
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RX consulting at a top firm is a viable route. Skills are very similar to RX ibanking (we actually compete with ibanks for a variety of advisory mandates). I know a couple of people from my class at FTI who are at distressed hedge funds and maybe three more who transitioned to RX banking at top names in the space after 1-2 years in consulting.
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