Do you believe in the Illuminati / a controlling world group?

Interested to hear this from other investment bankers / PE / HF / family office people especially

I’m not an absolute conspiracy theorist, I’m smart enough to not be a flat earther, to know big foot doesn’t exist, etc.

But the Illuminati…

(Or as we refer to them, not the Bavarian enlightenment secret society of the 19th century)

Has always particularly interested me. Bohemian grove is real, there are presidents who have been photographed there. We know US politicians are corrupt to lobbying. Stanley Kubrick died shortly after the release of a redacted eyes wide shut. The jefferey Epstein stuff verified the most insane rumors of years. People near the Clinton’s go missing, and it’s clear the Donald trump election was not what the conductors planned.

Everything feels so orchestrated and controlled. Please give insight

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In short I think the answer is yes within various global centres of influence. But at the same time I don’t think it’s really conspiratorial, more so just how the world works

 

Not a conspiracy, just a world order masqueraded as a democratic government. Some are more blatant about it (authoritarians) and some try to keep up the act ( USA, France, UK, etc)

At the end of the day the people in power and making the decisions are not in that position for our interests, but to serve others that we have never heard of.

 
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Do there exist supranational committees and interest groups removed from any normal human life making cruel and selfish decisions that determine the lives of millions? Of course, no questions about it, our own employers have some of those people at the very top, this is all very public knowledge. Do there exist secret pervert groups full of the powerful joy-weary, thirsty for all kinds of depravity and willing to pay any price for it? Yup, the Epstein case confirmed it without question. Is this regime propped up by willing strivers and genuine believers placed at the right spots to ensure enforcement of even the most anti-human measures? Absolutely, the bureaucratic evil of the PMC has been shown over and over, lately during the China Flu and the rise of the Rainbrow Brigades.

So is it a conspiracy? Well yes, in the sense that there is some genuine planning behind it, but is it planned carefully to the last extent? Definitely not, a lot of these effects are aftershocks unplanned for or result from competing forces, such as Greta Thunberg (climate/neognosticism lobby vs Big Oil). Curtis Yarvin (aka Mencius Moldbug) has a very solid view on these things in my opinion, and I recommend his work to anyone.

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The question is why do those people we have never heard of have this power?

If they are not the founders of successful companies, what value do they add to the world and why do known politicians try to appease them?

 

I can give you two personal examples of very powerful people you have never heard of:

  • One was a high-ranking professor at a German research university holding a very prestigious chair. He worked for numerous Brussel think tanks drafting economic strategy papers that went straight onto the desk of the Euopean Commission. That is to say, this very friendly and sociable man had direct, barely mitigated influence on European and international policies, without ever having been voted into power.
  • My mother worked in early child education, which in Germany is regulated on state and communal level, for example prices for kindergardens and day mothers (giving your child into the home of another woman to care for them during the workday, quite common here). Her boss was, as regional leader of a large social organization, sitting on the advice boards of city councils, headed regulation drafting sessions (that's where prices and wages are decided), and networked extensively with local and state politicians. For her efforts she was awarded the Federal Cross of Merit and if you raise a child in my hometown or homestate, her work will have more power over your child's development than any of the current city mayors or state prime ministers. She, in effect, will exert power over you long after her death, again, without ever having been voted into this power.
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Yes

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https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/illuminati

Illuminati, the name assumed by the members of a secret society founded by Adam Weishaupt in 1776.

HISTORY.—Weishaupt was born of Westphalian parents at Ingolstadt (Bavaria), on February 6, 1748, and lost his father in 1753. Although educated at a Jesuit school, he fell early under the influence of his free-thinking godfather, the director of the highschool of Ickstatt, to whom he owed his appointment as professor of civil law at the University of Ingolstadt in 1772. He was the first layman to occupy the chair of canon law at this university (1773), but, in consequence of the growing rationalistic influence which he exerted over the students both in his academic capacity and in his personal intercourse with them, he came into ever sharper collision with the loyal adherents of the Church and with those who were influential in government circles. As, furthermore, his obstinate nature led him to quarrel with almost everyone with whom his intercourse was at all prolonged, he felt the need of a powerful secret organization to support him in the conflict with his adversaries and in the execution of his rationalistic schemes along ecclesiastical and political lines. At first (1774) he aimed at an arrangement with the Freemasons. Closer inquiry, however, destroyed his high estimate of this organization, and he resolved to found a new society which, surrounded with the greatest possible secrecy, would enable him most effectually to realize his aims and could at all times be precisely adapted to the needs of the age and local conditions.

His order was to be based entirely on human nature and observation; hence its degrees, ceremonies, and statutes were to be developed only gradually; then, in the light of experience and wider knowledge, and with the cooperation of all the members, they were to be steadily improved. For his prototype he relied mainly on Freemasonry, in accordance with which he modeled the degrees and ceremonial of his order. After the pattern of the Society of Jesus, though distorting to the point of caricature its essential features, he built up the strictly hierarchical organization of his society. “To utilize for good purposes the very means which that order employed for evil ends”, such was, according to Philo (Endl. Erkl., 60 sq.), “his pet design”. For the realization of his plans, he regarded as essential the “despotism of superiors” and the “blind, unconditional obedience of subordinates” (ibid.), along with the utmost secrecy and mysteriousness. At the beginning of 1777 he entered a Masonic Lodge and endeavored, with other members of the order, to render Freemasonry as subservient as possible to his aims. As Weishaupt, however, despite all his activity as an agitator and the theoretic shrewdness he displayed, was at bottom only an unpractical bookworm, without the necessary experience of the world, his order for a long time made no headway. The accession to it, in 1780, of the Masonic agent Freiherr von Knigge (Philo), a man of wide experience and well known everywhere in Masonic circles, gave matters a decisive turn. In company with Weishaupt, who, as a philosopher and jurist, evolved the ideas and main lines of the constitution, Knigge began to elaborate rapidly the necessary degrees and statutes (until 1780 the Minerval degree was the only one in use), and at the same time worked vigorously to extend the order, for which within two years he secured 500 members. When the great international convention of Freemasons was held at Wilhelmsbad (July 16 to August 29, 1782) the “Illuminated Freemasonry”, which Knigge and Weishaupt now proclaimed to be the only “pure” Freemasonry, had already gained such a reputation that almost all the members of the convention clamored for admission into the new institution. Particularly valuable for the order was the accession of Bode (Amelius), who commanded the highest respect in all Masonic circles. Assisted by Bode, Knigge labored diligently to convert the whole Masonic body into “Illuminated Freemasons”. A number of the most prominent representatives of Freemasonry and “enlightenment” became Illuminati, including, in 1783, Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick, the foremost leader of European Freemasonry and the princely representative of the illuminism of his age. Other famous members were Goethe, Herder, and Nicolai. The order was also propagated in SwedenRussiaPolandDenmarkHungary, Austria, and France. But in 1783 dissensions arose between Knigge and Weishaupt, which resulted in the final withdrawal of the former on July 1, 1784. Knigge could no longer endure Weishaupt’s pedantic domineering, which frequently assumed offensive forms. He accused Weishaupt of “Jesuitism”, and suspected him of being “a Jesuit in disguise” (Nachtr., I, 129). “And was I”, he adds, “to labor under his banner for mankind, to lead men under the yoke of so stiff-necked a fellow?—Never!”

Moreover, in 1783 the anarchistic tendencies of the order provoked public denunciations which led, in 1784, to interference on the part of the Bavarian Government. As the activity of the Illuminati still continued, four successive enactments were issued against them (June 22, 1784; March 2, and August 16, 1785; and August 16, 1787), in the last of which recruiting for the order was forbidden under penalty of death. These measures put an end to the corporate existence of the order in Bavaria, and, as a result of the publication, in 1786, of its degrees and of other documents concerning it—for the most part of a rather compromising nature—its further extension outside Bavaria became impossible. The spread of the spirit of the Illuminati, which coincided substantially with the general teachings of the “enlightenment”, especially that of France, was rather accelerated than retarded by the persecution in Bavaria. In two letters addressed to the Bishop of Freising (June 18 and November 12, 1785) Pius VI had also condemned the order. As early as February 16, 1785, Weishaupt had fled from Ingolstadt, and in 1787 he settled at Gotha. His numerous apologetic writings failed to exonerate either the order or himself. Being now the head of a numerous family, his views on religious and political matters grew more sober. After 1787 he renounced all active connection with secret societies, and again drew near to the Church, displaying remarkable zeal in the building of the Catholic church at Gotha. He died on November 18, 1830,” reconciled with the Catholic Church, which, as a youthful professor, he had doomed to death and destruction “—as the chronicle of the Catholic parish in Gotha relates.

OBJECTS AND ORGANIZATION.—As exhibiting the objects and methods of the order, those documents are authoritative which are given in the first and second sections of works in the bibliography. The subsequent modifications of the system, announced by Weishaupt in his writings after 1785, are irrelevant, since the order had spread far and wide before these modifications were published. The above-named documents reveal as the real object of the Illuminati the elaboration and propagation of a new popular religion and, in the domain of politics, the gradual establishment of a universal democratic republic. In this society of the future everything, according to Weishaupt, was to be regulated by reason. By “enlightenment” men were to be liberated from their silly prejudices, to become “mature” or “moral”, and thus to outgrow the religious and political tutelage of Church and State, of “priest and prince”. Morals was the science which makes man “mature”, and renders him conscious of his dignity, his destiny, and his power. The principal means for effecting the “redemption” of the world was found in unification, and this was to be brought about by “secret schools of wisdom”. These “schools”, he declares, “were always the archives of nature and of the rights of man; through their agency, man will recover from his fall; princes and nations, without violence to force them, will vanish from the earth; the human race will become one family, and the world the habitation of rational beings. Moral science alone will effect these reforms `imperceptibly’; every father will become, like Abraham and the patriarchs, the priest and absolute lord of his household, and reason will be man’s only code of law” (“Nachtr.”, pp. 80 sq.; repeated verbatim in Knigge, “Die neuesten Arbeiten”, p. 38). This redemption of mankind by the restoration of the original “freedom and equality” through “illumination” and universal charity, fraternity, and tolerance, is likewise the true esoteric doctrine of Christ and his Apostles. Those in whom the “illuminating” grace of Christ is operative (cf. Heb., vi, 4) are the “Illuminati”. The object of pure (i.e. illuminated) Freemasonry is none other than the propagation of the “enlightenment” whereby the seed of a new world will be so widely scattered that no efforts at extirpation, however violent, will avail to prevent the harvest (“Nachtr.”, pp. 44, 118; “Die neuesten Arb.”, pp. 11, 70). Weishaupt later declared (Nachtrag zu meaner Rechtfertigung, 77 sqq., 112 sqq.) that Masonry was the school from which “these ideas” emanated.

These objects of the order were to be revealed to members only after their promotion to the “priestly” degree (Nachtr., I, 68). The preliminary degrees were to serve for the selection, preparation, and concealment of the true “Illuminati”; the others were to open the way for the free religion and social organization of the future, in which all distinction of nations, creeds, etc., would disappear. The government of the order was administered by the superiors of the Minerval “churches”, “provincials”, “nationals”, and “areopagites” (who constituted the supreme council), under the direction of Weishaupt as general of the order. Members were acquainted only with their immediate superiors, and only a few trusted members knew that Weishaupt was the founder and supreme head of the order. All the members were obliged to give themselves a training in accordance with the aims of the society, and to make themselves useful, while the order, on its part, pledged itself to further their interests by the most effectual means. They were especially recommended to systematically observe persons and events, to acquire knowledge, and to pursue scientific research in so far as it might serve the purposes of the order. Concerning all persons with whom they had intercourse they were to gather information, and on all matters which could possibly affect either themselves or the order they were to hand in sealed reports; these were opened by superiors unknown to the writers, and were, in substance, referred to the general. The purpose of this and other regulations was to enable the order to attain its object by securing for it a controlling influence in all directions, and especially by pressing culture and enlightenment into its service. All illuministic and official organs, the press, schools, seminaries, cathedral chapters (hence, too, all appointments to sees, pulpits, and chairs) were to be brought as far as possible under the influence of the organization, and princes themselves were to be surrounded by a legion of enlightened men, in order not only to disarm their opposition, but also to compel their energetic cooperation. A complete transformation would thus be effected; public opinion would be controlled; “priests and princes” would find their hands tied; the marplots who ventured to interfere would repent their temerity; and the order would become an object of dread to all its enemies.

Concerning the influence actually exerted by the Illuminati, the statements of ex-Freemasons—L. A. Hossman, J. A. Starck, J. Robinson, the Abbe Barruel, etc.—must be accepted with reserve, when they ascribe to the order a leading role in the outbreak and progress of the French Revolution of 1789. Their presentation of facts is often erroneous, their inferences are untenable, and their theses not only lack proof, but, in view of our present knowledge of the French Revolution (cf., e.g., Aulard, “Hist. poi. de la Rev. Franc.”, 3rd ed., 1905; Lavisse-Rambaud, “Hist. generale”, VIII, 1896), they are extremely improbable. On the other hand, once it had discarded, after 1786, the peculiarities of Weishaupt, “Illuminationism” was simply the carrying out of the principles of “enlightenment”; in other words, it was Freemasonry and practical Liberalism adapted to the requirements of the age; as such it exerted an important influence on the intellectual and social development of the nineteenth century. (See MasonrySecret Societies.)

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I'm sure there are wealthy and/or powerful people who are silently influential to governments. As far as an organized group that does it across the world, seems unlikely. Conspiracy theories are a waste of time in my opinion, the answers are not there for you to find

100% disagree regarding conspiracy theories. It used to be “JFK was killed by the CIA”. Now it’s nearly a certainty that happened.

The old nut job who said “your TV is listening to you”? He was right.

It’s wild how people will just ignore facts to push their agenda. Covid and BLM was the tipping point for many imo.

 

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This is so delusional, especially Big Kahuna’s comment. You must know the conspiracy theories people have about banking?? Decision makers everywhere are just normal people doing their best, they aren’t much smarter than you or I, everyone’s a fucking idiot, and everyone is fucking up. There is no planning, no secret government, no “act”. This is a fucking mind virus.

 

I used to not believe in this stuff, but I believe in a variant of it now.  The WEF isn't trying to hide really trying to hide the fact that elites are getting together to organize society on an international level anymore.  Beyond that, it's pretty clear that there are plenty of political and cultural elite who are part of organized social groups in which paganism and deviant/illegal sex are an integral part.  I don't know that it's even disputed that elites gather at Bohemian Grove to partake in pagan rituals and hedonistic sex.  Also the most astounding story of my lifetime is the fact that Jeffrey Epstein compromised so many elites, on his island chalk-full of underage girls and a pagan temple, that there has been no outcry from any government or mainstream media outlet in the world to release his client list, figure out how he made his money, or figure out how his international child-trafficking operation was facilitated for decades, beyond saying it was solely him and Ghislaine.  There's also no government or mainstream news organization in the world that seems interested in questioning the fact that he killed himself, or even bothering to attempt explaining away the plethora of odd coincidences that make the public unable to suspend their disbelief at that story.  Ostensibly, a great many elites were involved in this for decades and those elites were powerful enough that they could make Epstein kill himself within the SHU at a medium security facility, with zero repercussions or real investigation, the moment it appeared that he was incentivized to implicate them.  

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