Man Charged With Raping 10 Year Old Child - Child Had To Go Out of State For Abortion
Part 2 update to the big yikes. Crazy that the (false) narrative of this being big liberal lie even took off
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Obviously, rape and incest situations are not common but you got to be incredibly hard core, right to life to not allow a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion in her state. It really shows a lack of common sense and a lack of human decency on the part of legislators in the state.
Obviously these people (the rapists, and legislators) are fucked up in the head
Salt on the wound - once the baby is born, probably into poverty, they really don’t give a shit. If up to them they’d abolish food stamps, Medicaid, etc
my take is they want “lesser” people than they are, to suffer, to make themselves feel better or superior. Coping or insecure about something. Probably single, lonely, and mad AF at the world
This is my main beef with pro-lifers. If you want to be pro-life, fine, but be consistent in your stance. far too many of these folks want children born into poverty with no social nets of any kind. how is that pro-life in any way?
Jesus christ, do you pay attention to anything going on here? The entire story was a hoax.
Except thats a completely wrong interpertation of the law. Congrats.
Delete.
Where is the lie?
It's maybe a 2-3 hour drive depending where in Ohio and where in Indiana, but oh my god the utter horror of an extended car ride totally outweighs a state's right to democratically pass their own legislation on a matter they have explicit authority over according to the constitution. Also love how they're going to totally omit that the perpetrator is an illegal immigrant from Guatemala and instead say "a Columbus man." Whether it's real or fake the case is irrelevant to politics to beyond "we shouldn't let illegals stay here" and "child rapists should be castrated and/or executed" and the progressives just look like clowns for bringing it to national discussions in the first place.
Yeah the 10 year old child should drive 3 hours no big deal
From what I've read she already got the abortion so clearly she made the journey. Genuinely asking, does the kid not have parents? Any family members? I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the media reports from either side. If she has family, they were obviously the ones driving her to Indiana or if she hadn't gotten the procedure could've helped her with the kid/raised it themselves.
I know it's difficult for progressives like you to comprehend the concept of abortion being tantamount to murder, but many anti-abortion folks still won't support an abortion even in this extremely fringe circumstance unless there turns out to be a definitive health risk to the mother (which there very well could end up being, remains to be seen). Rape is horrible, murder is worse.
Yup here we go with the parents/family comment smh, knew it was coming
I mean no duh, I'd rather the girl's family be there to help her, regardless of whatever the outcome ended up being, than not. Are you saying that 10 year olds should be expected to make important medical decisions by themselves? What is it with progressives and being allergic to any expectation of a person's family being supportive? You haven't answered a single question or provided any sort of argument, just posted about a fringe situation (that was enabled in part by the very people acting outraged over her need to travel) that's being used as a political cudgel when in reality no one seems to actually give a crap about the kid or who's helping her.
Delete - arrest has been made. Let’s see how this plays out.
I don't have a horse in whether or not the case is real, but if they've made an arrest I think it's safe to begin with the assumption that it is real until something that proves otherwise comes up. I still don't understand what you're trying to say here, what is there to investigate? The man reportedly confessed. The girl already got pregnant and supposedly had the abortion, so unless she kept it as a souvenir there's nothing to test as to whether or not it happened no?
This whole topic is retarded. The political argument it's being used to fuel is around whether or not abortion should be legal. If abortion had been legal at any stage - whether a 6 week cutoff or up until the point of birth is irrelevant - that still wouldn't have prevented the rape. She's fucking 10, she's not going to be traveling across state lines or getting medical procedures done on her own 99.9% of the time so whether she could get it close to home or not is irrelevant. The knowledge that the person was an illegal immigrant who committed the crime, while relevant to other topics, is not to this one. None of this information addresses the moral arguments around whether or not abortion = murder, and the only way to fairly work through something like this is to allow people to vote on it which is entirely the point of Roe vs Wade being struck down - not to ban abortion on a national scale but to allow states to vote on it themselves.
No one in CA or NY will ever have to go without an abortion at any stage and the majority of people in places like Texas and Ohio who don't want it to be legal at all have a right to dictate the law within their own borders. Democraps and Republicuks are both swinging this case around like it has any sort of meaning/proves their side's point when it clearly doesn't. I can't understand how something this stupid gets "international attention" when we have literal land war in Europe, an energy crises hitting developed nations worldwide, food shortages, record inflation for the millennia, and midterms coming up with huge political scandals flying around like crack cakes. Nobody with half a brain that's dealing with real problems gives a shit about 1 abortion for 1 person in some random midwestern state.
The reason why it’s a big deal is because a girl who was raped was forced to carry to term if she didn’t cross state lines. This baby was not her choice (so you can’t claim personal responsibility) and it’s not her actions that led to this (it’s the rapists) yet somehow she’s the one forced with the lifetime of consequences? Be honest with me. If your SO was raped by another man would you have her carry the baby to term and raise the child? Alt-Ctr-Left put it well in another thread when he said to think through all the implications of these laws rather than just being happy because “the libs are getting owned”.
How is she forced to live with "a lifetime of consequences"? First off her traveling in the first place wasn't even necessary because from what I'm reading being as young as she is qualifies for risking the life of the mother so she could have gotten it in Ohio - maybe I'm wrong though, I'm not a lawyer so I'm having to take other people's word for it. Even if she had had to carry to term, no one would have forced an 11 year old to raise the child by herself and to try and make such a claim is idiotic and ignoring how the real world operates. Either she has family who would takeover and raise the kid (I have a cousin who was raised by his grandparents in a similar fashion when his mom had him as a teenager) or the state would take the child since she's underage herself. She can give the baby up for adoption and literally never have to see it again past the delivery room if she were to carry it to term. And the fact is she didn't have to so you're blowing up over a complete hypothetical, she was able to go somewhere else to get the procedure done. That's the beautiful thing about America, if you can't do something in one place then you can just go somewhere else where it is allowed in most circumstances.
Abortion in the instance of rape is less than 1% of cases and I agree it's fucking terrible. I wouldn't wish it on anyone and my heart aches for anyone who is in that situation. I'm not sure what I'd do myself, probably go to prison because I would make it my mission to find and brutally execute the rapist if that happened to my SO. You could argue that I'm just saying this because I'm not in that situation, but no, I wouldn't advocate for an abortion. If she chose to get one, that would certainly be tough to handle. The child is inherently innocent and did not have any choice over how it was conceived. One crime being committed does not justify another being carried out against someone completely uninvolved in the first. Now, would I want her to keep and raise the child? Hell no, as soon as that kid it born they're getting put into a carrier and dropped off at the nearest fire or police station. My altruism ends at them being able to keep their right to life and do whatever they decide to do - but I will not be involved and if I have my way neither will my SO.
I suppose you could try to make an argument that abandonment/leaving for adoption is worse than killing the kid, but I would disagree. Unless you're being held in a box and tortured or withering away from some excruciating terminal illness, no matter how bad your circumstances 99.9% of people would choose life > death.
Not everyone is a soulless efficiency finance bot and can just forget about that baby once it’s born. She will have a lifetime of struggle thinking about the baby and the rape but at the same time knowing that she can’t provide for the child as well. This is much different from someone who didn’t care or what the child and is happy to put them for adoption and forget about it.
Yes, the child is innocent but the rapist is guilty of murder, not the mother. As it stands abortion laws punish the mother and in the case of rape they should not.
Honestly man you’re an extreme beta male if you’re fine with your wife carrying another man’s baby in her womb. Having a baby causes a whole host of physical and emotional problems and you’re saying she should go through that and relive her rape day in day out? If a rapist can impregnate your wife and you let the baby go to term you might as well marry a girl with a triple digit body count and enter an open relationship.
It has nothing to do with being soulless and efficient, and how is it somehow more compassionate to advocate for KILLING the child? Are you cracked in the head? Honest to god it's astounding how warped your ability to do mental gymnastics thinking that murdering someone incapable of defending themselves is somehow more compassionate than giving them up for adoption/to an orphanage. You have no way to gauge that a woman wouldn't have a lifetime of struggle if she was raped and killed the kid vs was raped and just gave them up - both are definitively horrible outcomes that will effect her for the rest of her life.
Abortion laws do not punish anyone you utter twat, they protect the lives of people who can't defend themselves or argue for their own rights. Over 90% of abortions are elective procedures and less than 1% are the result of rape, meaning that over 90% of those cases are people who made a choice to have sex and got pregnant as a result. Being held responsible for actions is not a punishment, it's called being an adult and if you're fucking, you're making an adult decision.
Additionally, an abortion is the direct action of killing the child in utero. In the other cases where there is a demonstrated danger to the mother's life pro-life people like myself still do not support deliberately killing the child unless there is literally nothing else that can be done (for example an ectopic pregnancy that's lodged in a woman's fallopian tube; it makes no sense to condemn 2 people to die). Instead we advocate for whatever procedures are needed to try and correct the problem to save the mother. If those procedures pose a risk to the child and they die as a result of collateral damage (explicitly NOT an action aimed at directly killing them) then we do not consider that an abortion. Just like how we wouldn't consider a miscarriage or a woman who had an accident that killed the baby an abortion.
But yeah man, I'm a beta male for not wanting to kill a child. I didn't say I'm "fine" with it, in fact I pointed out I would kill the perpetrator of the assault if I could. All I said with regard to abortion is that I would not personally support or advocate for it. Now in the moment, if my SO decided to get an abortion still knowing I wouldn't morally support it, does that mean I would stop her? Most likely no, instead I would say a prayer for the child and be supportive to my SO (NOT the action) for what she is going through and decides given the traumatic and terrible situation she's been forced into.
You came up with this literal worst case hypothetical that is incredibly unlikely just to try and create some fringe example of a "gotcha" and I am simply sticking to my principles. Am I a perfect representative of my principles 100% of the time? Fuck no. No one is, it's called being human. And your inability to understand any degree of nuance is pathetic. I pity any woman who has the misfortune of having a relationship with someone who equates sexual promiscuity to being a rape victim. You're a disgusting person who seriously needs to reevaluate themselves if that's truly what you think of women.
I stand corrected. Disregard my last comment. I'll delete that for sake of the truth. Arrest has been made, we'll see how it plays out. PrivateTechquity 🚀GME🚀 financeabc
Pointing out the distance makes no sense to me. Either you support the law or you’re against it. Saying “Just cross state lines bro” seems very hypocritical to me. You want poor people to have kids but you (and the rich) are going to “cross state lines” to get an abortion? Then you’re not a real pro-life person but a phony.
First of all, the distance is only relevant because Democrats are making it out to be the end of the world that someone had to travel to get a medical procedure done. I support the law in Ohio, and from a few things I've read now it sounds like she didn't even need to travel given her age presenting inherent risks e.g. threat to the life of the mother which is an explicit exception, so this argument is a big nothingburger to begin with. I also support Indiana's choice to not have that law and the freedom of individuals to travel between the two for whatever services they decide they want. I would like it if Indiana would ban/heavily restrict abortion as well, but I don't live there so that's not really my call. Just like I don't give a fuck what someone in the UK thinks about my state's gun laws.
The "no true Scotsman" argument is and is a good way to eliminate any chance of building a coalition to get things done. Acting like everything has to be that black and white is foolish. I am pro-life, I do not support abortion and never will for any of my own family members, and I will always speak out against it. I will express my view that it is no different than murdering an innocent person who has been born and I will vote for politicians who agree with me and make it part of their platform to ban it entirely. I also believe in the federalized process the US was founded on that allows the states to self-determine their own laws. I believe in freedom of movement, if someone doesn't like a law in one state they should be free to go to another state that doesn't have that law so they are able to do that thing without repercussions. Supporting someone's right to have the freedom to make decisions for themselves doesn't mean I have to support or agree with those decisions. I support the ending of of drug criminalization, that doesn't mean I support someone going to shoot up heroin or smoke crack - I think that's a terrible choice and I would 100% advise them against it.
Conservatives / Republicans are sick in the head
The AG of Ohio went on live television and explained that the law permits for abortion in cases where the mother's life is at risk and that this case falls under that category
It's really bizarre you're trying to use the rape of a 10 year old girl as a political cudgel, especially considering the Democrats are the ones encouraging illegals, and the rapist was one, to come into this country.
"The new law does provide two exceptions, however. An abortion can be conducted after the six-week mark if a physician finds the procedure:
1) a woman should have the RIGHT to Abort a fetus up to a certain point, especially if it’s the result of RAPE. If the child could’ve safely delivered that baby, you’d be supporting forcing her into doing so
2) idgaf what the AG politician says. The medical professionals refused to do it. The child was forced to seek assistance elsewhere
you guys are straight up fucking weirdos for trying to control women and girls. Definitely do not have wives, girlfriends, or daughters
I never said abortion should be illegal or that women should be barred from getting them. I am simply pointing out that you are a liar who is using a 10 year old rape victim to shove their political agenda down the throats of sympathetic bystanders which I find repulsive and inhumane
Guess what, people don't give a fuck about what you think either. So I guess we solved that one at the end of the day.
How do you know the mother's life is at risk?
I would imagine having a child that young is dangerous. She is only in the 5th grade probably. Her body is far from developed.
What do you hope to accomplish by posting this? You think all the hardcore trump white kids on the sight will suddenly see the light? Their selfishness will never change man.
Fair enough
Smokie, I don't know what happened but I do miss your sharp elbows cynical side. Can we bring that back?
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