Men Mental Health is the Biggest Scam
Men’s mental health is the biggest scam.
It is pushed by women who don’t actually care about men at all but just want men to become bigger pussies.
You can see this in the way men “should” deal with their mental health, it is all in feminine ways. Talk about your feelings, cry, take a day off etc; are all feminine ways to solve your problems that leads to the pussification of men.
This does not help any of us and we would be stupid to believe them, also, none of these girls are attracted to guys who "deal" with their problems like that
EDIT: Need to edit this because a lot of people are arguing against ghosts. At no point did I say men shouldn't deal with it or that they should or how they should etc.
I simply critiqued the push for "men's mental health" and the methods proposed on how to deal with it which is essentially just the feminisation of men.
By all means, continue critiquing not dealing with mental health or the ways, but just so you know that's completely besides the point on this post.
You hit the nail right on the head. Talking about problems is not how you solve them, you solve them by... attacking them head on, who'd have thought? Going to them gym, flirting with girls, and getting good interviews helped me more out of my undergrad depression than any therapy did. That's why having good male friends is so beneficial because they don't keep you in a slump, but say let's go out, let's get some chicks, get wasted, whatever, just to go out of the house. And obviously, lifting heavy shit also helps a lot.
Real men deal with their problems by being alcoholics and abusing their partners. Such a stupid take
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So true bro. Men don't cry, getting wasted and bagging random women is clearly the only way to overcome mental hardship. Anyone reading this who is going through some tough times, absolutely do not listen to this garbage. Everyone's path to success is different and therapy is a proven element of that path. Boomers like these guys will inevitably blow their brains out when they reach age 60 due to the realization that they are helpless to solve their internal strife and are better off ceasing to exist.
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This is one of the worst takes I have ever heard on mental health. The notion that men should just deal with it is beyond antiquated. Explain to me how it helps the Vet suffering from PTSD? Explain how it helps someone dealing with the loss of a loved one? What about someone who is suicidal? This kind of ridiculous take does nothing to help anyone. From a neuropsychological standpoint, we are all wired differently and process things differently. The purpose of therapy is to unpack trauma and problems in actual safe spaces (not the coopted version used by overly sensitive) to work through them and better understand what makes you tick. It's not supposed to be something you share with the world - and I applaud people who go to therapy and can improve themselves because of it. Many people don't know how to figure it out on their own. For generations, guys have been told not to share their emotions because it's not manly to do it. This creates a toxic feedback loop that can harm us.
An extended family member of mine tried to commit suicide a few summers ago and I was the first one on the scene. I didn't have a good relationship with that person to begin with. Seeing someone get wheeled out by paramedics, talking to the cops about it, being offered the opportunity to read the suicide note if I wanted... that's all traumatic. I was left feeling extremely lost afterward because suicide doesn't just impact the person trying to kill themself, it has a ripple effect on people in their life. It's not something that is easy to process because of the complexities of neuropsychological behavior. Are you suggesting I should bottle up all that, suffer in silence, and drown my sorrow in meaningless and potentially harmful ways? Or should I work figuring out how to process the grief and trauma with someone who is trained to understand the emotional aspects of this and can both help me understand what I am going through and work with me to understand how best to rebuild a relationship with someone who tried to kill themselves?
If you've seen Billions, the psychologist that Axe Capital has on staff is there for a reason. A star PM down 10% on the year can only rationalize so much of why they are down, especially if their colleagues are up 10%. There are cognitive and emotional biases at work here that need to be understood at the individual level in order to succeed. This is part of the reason why EQ/EI is an important driver of success. Remember, your own emotional well-being changes over time. I've worked in toxic environments where the negative feedback loop has impacted my own EQ/EI negatively - and it affects our emotional health. Your body can overcome the physical burnout, but not having proper outlets for your emotions, or a support network that can be relied on to discuss what's wrong with us only creates more harm than good.
Therapy is there to serve as a support network. It's there to help us understand what difficulties have faced and how we can overcome them. Think about things like general anxiety disorders or "anger management issues" and how they can harm us if they go unchecked. Someone with an anxiety disorder may be brilliant but faces a problem that will negatively impact their ability to succeed. It's endemic of the bigger issue - mental health is an area where we focus so little of our time and effort because it's not the manly thing to do. And god forbid you self-medicate. That can cause significant harm too.
I can go on and on about this. At the end of the day, it's about doing what's best for yourself to become better than you are. Drowning your emotional issues in sex, drugs, and alcohol only leads to more problems. That's now how society should function. Therapy is there to help you figure out how to handle your issues, recognize what triggers them, and offer guidance on how to best handle them. That's self-actualization at work.
You're misrepresenting the entire point. The argument is not between suppressing it, taking drugs, etc, and therapy, but between seeking out a support network, doing sports (which raise your test levels and make you feel better), eating well, thinking about changing jobs, etc and therapy. I think the main reason you people defend therapy so much is because it's implicitly more "erudite" than, let's say, letting your ADHD son run around in the garden and chop up a whole forest of firewood. I'm not saying psychiatry and stuff like CBT doesn't have its merits, especially for truly fucked up individuals such as schizophrenics, but most of our "civilizatory" illnesses can be mitigated by literally touching some grass, having good friends, drinking a good wine and having a good meal.
For many, therapy can help bridge the gap. Having good friends and a good meal sound great on paper, but you may not be able to enjoy those things / get value out of them without first going to therapy / working some things out internally
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Based af
Dead on. Further proof:
https://mobile.twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1251532625942130689
proof of what?
That low-test men are pathetic
So I agree with the post above that got best comments, not dealing with emotions can create traumas.
I think there a bit of confusion between mental health and masculinity vs. Femininity. “Being à man” is not going to improve your mental health.
I do agree though that there are masculine vs. Feminine personalities where masculine people will want to confront their problems heads on instead of talking about it for ages. This has nothing to do with the flow of letting go emotions though.
I have a chemical imbalance in my brain. My psychiatrist helps me with behavior and chemical dosages. Scam? No.
I guess this is another thread with a bunch of 20 somethings commenting on a field which they know nothing about.
Don’t feel too bad though - I felt the same way in my early 20s.
Yeah. Kind of the feeling I'm getting from some of the responses. Oh well.
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I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but I’m not sure I agree with everything said. Mental health is important - when I was stressed out in college, I was a mess. Drugs and alcohol didn’t help the situation either.
Now that I’m older, I rarely get stressed. I’ve cultivated an environment where I force myself to succeed every day. I’ve never gone to therapy, but I do talk to friends that are girls about stuff I don’t talk to my bros about. These girls have seen my dick, and now I’m best friends with both of them and the one’s boyfriend.
People need to understand that you can’t lump everyone into a giant group. I’ve said before stereotypes exist for a reason, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t outliers. This chick’s seen my dick and has now been dating this other dude for a few years now (I’m taller and make more money), and she will make a great wife someday, but I’m not attracted to her like I used to be anymore. I tell her about my feelings and stuff and she gives her thoughts on the situation, and I do the same for her and our other friend.
As much as people want to be “alpha males”and face problems head-on, it does help to have people in your corner. Humans are made to have connections with other humans. You know I preach about “extreme ownership”, but even people like Jocko have families and friends they talk to.
I believe a lot of “mental health” issues nowadays in young males are caused by a lack of strong male role models in these young men’s lives. When I was younger, there was this kid I played sports with. His dad was our head coach and tragically passed away when we were 11. This kid then grows up with a dad and becomes much more feminine.
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You sure missed what people mean by dealing with your mental health. Seeking therapy, getting to know oneself and opening up to the people who deserve your trust is different from sharing your entire history of trauma with your coworkers, your drinking buddies or the girl you've been dating for two weeks.
I don't think you should take everything HR tells you about mental health at face value, but it's definitely something you should prioritize ASAP. You know that smart and/or hardworking person that didn't live up to their potential? A lot of the times, they weren't just unlucky. They probably had some shit in their life (fear of public speaking, strong mood swings, lack of attention span etc.) that they didn't address for whatever reason, and now they're stuck with the consequences of their bad decisions. Learn from their mistakes, deal with your issues before they come back to bite you in the ass.
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