Musk being booed on stage
Poor Musk. He loves attention and will pledge every iota of his bone marrow as collateral for further fame and fortune and it probably struck him sometimes you just can't buy love.
I see you’re taking orders well. I ignored the “we must now hate Musk” memo
No link?
Ask and he shall deliver.
My favorite recent Musk moment was him banning the kid who made a Twitter account that tracked his private jet. Free speech!!
yeah but his whereabouts are being tracked.... genius
Musk's whole approach to free speech is hilarious.
FREE SPEECH!
*Someone impersonates Musk*
FREE SPEECH! (but no impersonation)
*Someone tracks Musk's jet*
FREE SPEECH! (but no impersonation or tracking)
Seems like he's okay with all kinds of bad behavior until the moment they personally impact him.
*Sure you know my MO at this point* But nevermind for your child, the PIC/SIC, any attendants on board. Or even out to the tarmac marshall, ATC, etc. Surely nothing that could be criminal intimidation, right?
The man believes in free speech, according to his own stated views, not "free speech but with all these caveats for personal safety". Which, after all, is what Twitter was doing before, and the reason he bought it was to stop them from banning hate speech and threatening speech.
Mr Musk is all about free speech as long as it isn't critical of him, or inconvenient to him. In other words, he's no better and arguably a good deal worse than what he pledged to replace
Never said anything about speech critical of him. Just the secondary and even tertiary others that could be swept up as collateral damage and could be hurt for no reason of their own outside of merely being somehow associated with him.
Free speech is great, true and proper...sans it being used to enable violence against others who are true non-participants in said argument.
Sure, and I think those risks deserve serious consideration and scrutiny when considering moderating content on a social media platform. My scorn for Mr Musk comes from the fact that he bought Twitter precisely because he disagreed with this notion - the kind of hate speech Twitter has moderated in the past does help to incite violence, and yet that was unacceptable censorship. When someone is reporting public information regarding Mr Musk, all of a sudden it's a massive risk. He doesn't give two shits about his flight crew, he cares about limiting the amount of reputationally-damaging information floating in the public eye. He's a giant hypocrite, and deserves opprobrium for it.
100% agree. I just don't see how this is an example of that. Mr Musk's flight history is public information. You'd really have to stretch a point to convince anyone that sharing that information is a threat to unrelated third parties. If someone starts asking where Mr Musk is flying to and is also making death threats against the guy, then sure... there are a lot of issues there that deserve to be addressed.
This isn't that situation. This is an egomaniacal billionaire finally stepping out of his bubble and realizing that far from being a universally beloved genius, a bunch of people don't like him, and his snowflake feelings can't deal with seeing that mentioned every day.
G-d d****it I hate that that you and I are essentially Batman vs Bane, and finding more common ground than not. Oh wait, that's what I wish everyone could do.
1) You probably are right about his "use 'em and lose 'em" view of his flightcrews sadly. Don't know enough to vote yay or nay. But definitely a good thing to look into.
2) Props for flexing the English there with opprobrium (ok, I guess that's actually Latin.) But Seriously people, English is the most specific and ground down of all languages. Wield it well and prove why ideas like the pen is mightier than the sword are more real than you think.
3) Agreed. My whole point is that flight logs are public record regardless, I just don't want or need to hear a story of a stewardess talking about how she was told "I could eat a Peach for hours" (points if you got the reference). Or some FBO attendant told to look at what appeared in his pocket while he looked the other way while other things were going on.
All the kid was doing was sharing public info. The information was already online elsewhere
Unsurprising behavior from Musk really, he is certainly egomanical. The fundamental question is around whether Twitter regulation was better under a system of:
Dorsey admitted that he messed up with his speech policies at Twitter, he was always just too weak to do anything about it. The perfect is the enemy of the good, and Twitter is VASTLY better than it was a few months ago. Also, while I don't necessarily agree with journalists getting banned for pissing off Musk, it is pretty hilarious to watch lefty journalists deal with what the right has dealt with for the past few years. So sorry guys, must be rough!
Please clarify what you mean by that. "Rootless cosmopolitan" is an anti-Semitic slur from Stalin-era USSR.
Just realized the mods deleted my prior post for whatever reason.
Rootless cosmopolitan wasn't anti-semitic. It was anti-rootless cosmopolitan, which disproportionately described Jewish intellectuals in the Soviet Union for very obious diaspora related reasons. The people doing the enforcing, even in the Stalin era, were disproportionately drawn from minority groups in the Soviet Union, including Jews. The NKVD was heavily Jewish. Soviet ideology wasn't racialized like the Third Reich, but it was obnoxiously paranoid about "bourgeois" influence from the West.
Do you have any proof at all of the first bullet point? This was certainly the narrative that snowflake conservatives wanted you to think, but there didn't seem to be any evidence of that beyond the obvious point that contemporary right wing rhetoric is far more violent and far more likely to be hate speech than the mainstream left. I know people who subscribe to right wing politics don't want to acknowledge this, but under Mr Trump and even before, the "center" of the right wing has moved really, really far right... into some very uncomfortable (for me, not them obviously) white nationalist territory. And while every Republican wants to portray the left as having done the same, there really isn't a lot of evidence for that. The Democrats are a pretty moderate, big tent party and it would be hard to distinguish most liberal policy points from what they were 20 years ago. To the extent Republicans even have policy ideas beyond "lets legislate from the judiciary", they are a huge leap to the right of where, say, the Bush Administration would have found themselves.
So yeah, complain about this "woke" dystopia all you want, but it doesn't and never did exist except in your head. I can't assert that no one was banned solely because they expressed a right wing view, but certainly there seems to be little evidence that Twitter was discriminating on the basis of political opinion - it just happened to be that the people who want to spew hate speech or threaten violence, in violation of their Terms of Service, are overwhelmingly on the right. Like... you don't see a lot of far left liberals shooting up synagogues. And while liberals are just as likely to be selfish assholes as anyone else, only one side of the aisle in this country has its leaders calling for violence in the service of maintaining their power.
How old are you? I'm not trying to be rude, but I think your post only makes sense if your view of political reality prior to ~2015 is filtered through wikipedia articles and twitter posts. The ideology pushed by normal conservatives is more moderate on virtually every issue than it was in the year 2000. The ideology pushed by liberals is more radical on virtually every issue than it was in the year 2000.
If you went through a time portal to the year 2000 and started talking about slavery reparations, white privilge, trans kids rights, defunding the police, enforcing immigration law being racist imperialism, etc. etc. people would look at you like you were insane. It's a completely unprecedented radicalization on basically every issue. Meanwhile conservatives don't care nearly as much about reigning in fiscal spending or welfare or fundamentally changing social security, are vaguely anti-"big business", are anti-war and foreign adventurism, cucked egregiously on gay marriage (Obama opposed in 2008 btw, I assume you were in elementary school). You can find Democrat speeches from the mid 2000s on immigration that could have been Trump speeches.
Lie all you want about egregious politicized bannings - when your side thinks "women can't have dlcks" is violence, I suppose everything is violence. Taibbi's leaks (actual liberal btw, views unchanged since I hated him in 2009) definitively proved the egregious politicization of twitter's moderation. The whole spark for Musk buying twitter was a trans joke by a parody news publication that was tamer than things Jon Stewart had said in like 2007.
"Liberal radicalization and conservative moderation" is the trend of the millennium. Which is a shame - we desperately need far right action to correct the problems facing the nation.
Lot of Musk worshippers on this site. Was never a fan. I got in pre-IPO of SpaceX so I need him to behave
Lol, a handful of liberal journalists getting suspended now has a lengthy wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_15,_2022_Twitter_suspensions
Another pathetic Musk moment. He posted a video of a stalker who was bothering his family to his Twitter and asked if anyone knew who it was, but didn't even call the police who actually have the power to arrest the criminal. That says a lot about Elon, getting sympathy from his internet fan boys was more important to him than the safety of his kids.
I am not surprised a bunch of freedom-hating Liberals booed Elon Musk
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