What do you miss the most from pre-covid?
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Well, I have to wear a mask 6 days per week so yeah that sucks.
Yep, the glorious personal freedom to spread a deadly disease! That one was so important the founding fathers put it on the Bill of Rights!
Oh wait, it wasn't! George Washington required everyone in his army to get inoculated for smallpox, a procedure which at the time had a 5% fatality rate. And for decades vaccines for diseases with a lower fatality rate were required to join the military or go to school. Nobody questioned those requirements, because as you mentioned before people had common sense to realize disease=bad.
Now conservatives are killing off their own voters en masse just to own the libs. Trump country now has 3x the death rate thanks to conspiracies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/07/trump-voters-counties-m…
Please, just stop it
While agreed there are some on the right who are rallying against, refusal isn't limited just to the aforementioned demographic. For example, take a look at large, deep blue cities like NYC. Shots there are widely available across all 5 boroughs for free. Seems like we just hear about one in the national media outlets. vs. full coverage for... reasons. See below:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page#nyc
Here are different demographics nationally:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-cov…
And, to be clear, yes, there is a notable correlation of political affiliation, as well, seen below:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/importance-of-par…
It just doesn't tell the whole story. There is more to it. Statistics don't lie.
You are a soon to be data scientist and implying that correlation = causation???
Your implication that not taking the vaccine is leading to 3X the death rate in Trump vs Biden counties is wrong for several reasons.
1) These populations have not had equivalent life expectancies to start
This paper (https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(13)00590-4/pdf) looks at the gap in the life expectancy of rural vs. urban population from 1970-2010 (well before any influence of Covid could be argued) and finds significant differences in life expectancy
2) You have not established that all of those deaths would have survived had the vaccine been taken. Due to be clear, there definitely were deaths that could have been prevented, but obesity and older age are more prevalent in Trump counties vs. Biden counties and these at-risk factors have been shown to distinguish who lives and dies even after being vaccinated.
If you are saying you support this procedure or find it patriotic, I'm not sure what to tell you. There have been many things that the U.S. has done in it's past that modern day populations would condemn.
I find it interesting how liberals have suddenly switched from "progress" and "change" to spending this entire year arguing on precedent whether it be various mandates or abortion related topics. The key element of precedent is that similar circumstances must exist in both cases and similar applications of the law must be utilized. The second half is important because even if you argue precedent (which is a valid view to have), it would only apply to schools and the military requiring Covid vaccines, not to vacccine passports and the like which are clearly increased extensions of power.
Some Republicans such as Trump and Youngkin have had good messaging on vaccines, others not so much and try to point to alternative treatments, not due to actually caring about solving the disease but due to financial reasons. This is the same reason why liberals deem anyone who tries something other than vaccines to be a "conspiracy theorist." Follow the money to find why the "division" is the way it is.
What sentences were you listening to? lol ... he was a mindless mess of word salad that made no sense.
A normal social life.
COVID started when I graduated from high school, and now I am nearly halfway through college. People say these are supposed to be "the best years of your life," and I feel like I've lost out on something.
Same for me here. COVID started my Junior year and feel like I lost out on both my senior year and first year of work. Don't even really know my coworkers at a company that is supposed to be renowned for its culture. so, so tired of COVID
Study. Apply. Get a nice work just out of college. And then spend nice money going out on saturdays/travel. Only solution
I used to hate talking about the weather all the time when meetings or calls started as small talk, but having to chat about the latest COVID news is even worse.
I miss not doing meetings in-person. I prefer to work from home most of the time but it was nice to occasionally meet with people in-person. At the moment, there is very little demand for it. Most people seem to be content with doing meetings online.
I don't see the in-person meetings making a huge come back unless it's for very high value deals. Now that companies have had a justification to use video conferencing by default and save all that money on travel, I don't see them giving it up. I hope they prove me wrong of course.
Interesting, I've been experiencing the opposite. Routine catch-up meetings and short half hour to hour long meetings for less weighty topics still happen over video, but I've been going to a lot of in-person meetings, including the resumption of the related social activities (such as board dinners), which is nice. It ebbs and flows a bit depending on how heavy case loads are (so earlier this month was mostly remote meetings) but most of my circle likes getting back in person. I'm also in a region that takes COVID seriously too, so it's not like I'm speaking from a FL or TX perspective.
That sounds like a pretty healthy way to do it. I'm fully remote and starting to go insane slowly from how little I'm interacting with my coworkers, no one is in the office so there's no point in going.
I guess it depends on the industry. I basically teach finance to adults. My business has always been about 80% online but people that were reasonably close to my office would want to meet in-person. I have met with one client in-person since COVID started. I think part of it is that people are just more comfortable with doing online meetings these days. Sometimes people request online meetings in an initial note to me, which was not typical pre COVID.
International Travel. Miss doing this & want to get back to it asap -- will for sure do one of these trips this year, if not two
People being more social creatures. Covid accelerated digital & also caused a ton of people to move around --> people are just less social that I remember pre-Covid, does not bode well for mankind
My $$$'s actually having spending power. Inflation sucks & I hate the the alt left even more for putting us in this position (not all of it is their fault -- i.e. supply chain challenges -- but a massive portion is & they would have made it even worse with a 3.5tl spending package if not for Manchin, thank god for this man)
If you are vaccinated, international travel is pretty good right now. Currently traveling all over Europe and restaurants are open, bars are open. only clubs are closed. Virtually every place will ask for a vaccine pass which is annoying, but you can easily get this and then you have pretty much full freedom. Don't even need to test to cross borders.
Is that vaccine pass open to non-EU citizens? I'm going to Europe soon and need to figure that out.
Yeah I'd absolutely love to do Italy (Japan ideally but no way that's happening this yr). How is it in Italy (if you've been there)? Would just want to hit Rome / Venice primarily, maybe Florence / Milan if there's time
Honestly idc at all about clubs, but bars / museums / historical places / restaurants / beaches are the money -- if those are generally fine that's dope
I miss being blissfully unaware that such a large segment of Western populations are painfully gullible and ready to BEG for authoritarian government policy at the drop of a hat.
You had to get vaccinated to go to school or serve in the military for decades. When did that become authoritarian?
You have no idea what you're talking about and are trying to conflate things aren't comparable in the slightest. Feel free to spread more misrepresentations of fact and outright lies like Oklahomans Are Overdosing On Horse Dewormer Because They Think It Cures COVID.
You are disgusting. Go fuck yourself.
Ok can you name one difference between the military mandating COVID vaccines and mandating any other type of vaccine? You need to get vaccinated for diseases that are less deadly than COVID (measles, mumps, etc.) and you also need to get booster shots (Hepatitis and Polio).
The anecdote that gunshot victims could not get treatment due to dewormer overdoses was disproven, but many people did overdose on Ivermectin. In Mississippi most poison control calls were from Ivermectin.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/04/103421…
Calls to poison control asking about exposure to something does not automatically mean anyone actually had a bad reaction. Also, a jump of "133 to 459" from "the nation's 55 poison control centers" is such a laughable number. You're in computer science so do the math - what is 459 divided by 331,449,281? And you're pretending it's a significant figure?
Here's your one difference. The military mandating vaccines that have been tested and monitored for in many cases decades for soldiers who will be traveling to various foreign environments and be exposed to numerous non-domestic pathogens is entirely different from mandating that civilians en masse (not just the at-risk groups, but pregnant women in children too) take a pharmaceutical product with 0 long-term studies in order to perform daily activities like go to the grocery store or be allowed to dine inside restaurants.
And before you go spouting off the grossly overstated and opaquely collected death statistics, I encourage you to look at the health data coming out of the NHS. Surprisingly, I have to give props to the socialized medicine in the UK forcing there to be greater transparency. They are now dropping ALL Covid restrictions and mandates in the UK because their government has understood the game is over. It is quite clear now that many people are not dying "from" Covid, they are dying "with" Covid - which when you take into account the financial incentives for hospitals in the US to report a death as a Covid death you start to understand the compounding effect of misreporting this likely generates.
The narrative is falling apart, just give it up and go outside already. This virus is not deadly for 99.99% of people. The vaccines are ineffective and have been pushed via massive lobbying to sustain the record profits they are generating for pharmaceutical companies - something they have done multiple times in the past. The government is trying to use the panic they drummed up to push for unfavorable legislation around digital IDs and social credit scores that has been denied in the past under the guise of "for your safety." Nobody with any sense is buying it.
this is why everyone on this site wants you thrown in a gulag. He mentioned nothing of vaccine mandates. How about Australia telling people when they can leave their home? Literally every country telling people who can and cannot work in early parts of the pandemic? Give me a break, or more favorably, just shut the fuck up. It AMAZES me how much MS every single one of your posts gets. You've got to be a 300 pound disgusting pig sitting in your basement just shit posting all day
I miss the good old days when anti-vaxxers were a tiny minority of crunchy granola liberals (Ironic how this partisan flip occurred) that everyone laughed at.
Now there is a significant part of the country that believe that vaccines are the 'mark of the beast' from the bible, microchips, poison, the next Holocaust, or some other nonsense. These people make up almost all of the hundreds of thousands of dead after May. Hopefully they focus their idiocy on the COVID vaccine. It would be a disaster if these people decide not to get their kids vaccinated for anything.
A "significant part" of the country doesn't believe this crap.
Overall I just miss the world not being to hectic. Politics, Covid, etc, the world was less crazy
travelling in fucking peace without needing to dig through 5 websites to understand the new restrictions in foreign languages depending on where I go and making sure the test doesn't pass past 48 hours. fuck that, let me grab my bag, the passport and just go peacefully to the airport
Might sound odd, but I miss flying to random places for site tours. Some of these are industrials out in nowhere, but it’s places that you’ll otherwise never visit and infrastructure/operations you’ll never get to see. Getting third party to do site visits for you just isn’t the same.
I miss playing live poker. I have played poker for many years and I have enough skills to play it professionally and have done so for stretches at a time, like when I'm between consulting gigs - best job on planet earth IMO. Obviously I know that poker rooms are open but the risk just isn't worth it to me and plenty of covid infections can be tracked back to poker rooms. I love the game but this will be the last thing I add back to my routine when life returns to normal (whatever that ends up looking like). I not only miss the money - money won is sweeter than money found and all that - but I really enjoyed the social aspects and made many friends through the game.
I used to tackle my clients & projects fearlessly because I know I can always rely on poker - my records show that it's worth about $40/hour to me. So not all the money in the world but enough to keep me going if something happened to my employment. It sucks to not have that safety net right now so I really can't wait until life returns to normal and I can feel comfortable playing again.
Why are you afraid of going to play poker live? Do you have some comorbidities? The median age of Covid death is approximately 80. Virtually everyone else (statistically speaking) is fine. I don't understand this kind of attitude.
I think it's quite gauche to start asking each other about comorbidities, so I'll put that aside . . .
Covid is not Mr. Chow and the binary "but did you die???". There's plenty of other things that can come from it - long covid is very much a real thing. I have a series of friends that "survived" covid but are not the same. One of them even lost their hearing and had to have additional surgery for cochlear implants. They didn't die from covid but their QOL is arguably not the same.
So, as I said, the risks (including death and other things) simply aren't worth it to me.
Feeling safe in NYC. There were crazies but it wasn't this bad. I was never afraid of going somewhere at night time. Now I feel afraid to get on the subway in broad daylight.
oh my is it really bad? :o your comment terrifies me lol...
In Singapore at the moment, we have some pretty draconian COVID-19 rules. As someone who has recently only joined the workforce, being WFH has its difficulties, especially when it comes to making meaningful team-connections, even the more mundane stuff such as small talk.
Constantinople being the capital of the empire. Good days.
I am very happy with the newfound respect for personal space and acknowledgement that working remotely is actually acceptable. Having less packed restaurants, shops, streets, etc. is also very nice as someone who doesn't love crowds. So overall I'm optimistic with the way life could look once the hysteria settles down. That said, my biggest current grievances are:
1 - Uncertainty, particularly when traveling. I just took a COVID test in order to be able to fly tomorrow. I have no symptoms whatsoever but could very well find out in the next two hours whether I will be on the beach or self-isolating for the next 10 days. If the test comes back positive, I will need to rebook everything, causing massive inconvenience and additional cost. And there is no way to avoid this risk -- COVID tests must be taken within 24 hours of departure now. The same is true for events -- you just don't know if something is going to get canceled last minute due to COVID, making planning impossible.
2 - Canceled social plans. While it has ultimately not been a meaningful problem for me, it seems that COVID is the go-to excuse for people backing out of plans these days. I totally appreciate that people don't want to risk exposure, but don't cancel on dinner for fear of catching COVID and then proceed to jump on the crowded train to go shopping. I feel people were much better about sticking to their social commitments pre-COVID.
18 months prior to March 2020, I finally started working at a really cool place. Beautiful campus, insanely hot women everywhere, lots of friendly acquaintances (ya know, those people you kind of consider friends but maybe just work friends, but still, I kind of looked forward to going to work). Since March 2020, I've been teleworking and have none of the benefit of finally landing in this kind of "hip" office environment.
I utterly deplore the masking. I live in a mask mandate area and I refuse to wear a mask (I'm 3x vaccinated); no one has confronted me yet. But you hardly see a face. It's super depressing. Especially in the winter time, people wear them outside, so in the last 6 weeks I've hardly seen the face of a stranger. It's just a depressing time to be alive.
Finally, everything's kind of shut down or partially shut down due to Covid. So many permanent business closures have scarred the landscape of my otherwise well-off and "hip" neighborhood. But it's not just the business closures--it's the events. My town cancelled this weekend's outdoor ice bar event due to Covid fears--it's outdoors! The Masonic Temple is closed to the public for tours due to Covid fears. It's like our society is diseased.
Oh yeah, I've wanted to travel to Asia (Japan, China, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, etc.) for ages, but regardless of what happens in the U.S., Asia is probably going to look like a dystopian, masked hellscape for years to come. Go to Asia to see hot women and be greeted with the secular hijab. Asian people are even making YouTube videos with masks on. I
I miss having mats at the gym. After Covid started they took away all the mats at all the gyms. I had a whole routine on the mat and just basically dropped it. I have a mat at my home but it’s not the same.
Are you in Covid derangement land? My area is less bad than D.C. but way worse than, say, Florida. We at least have got to keep our mats. We have a mask mandate and everyone in the gym (except me) wears their masks, but they'll wear them below their nose, as a beard, loose fitting. This whole masking thing is theatre. (Almost) Everyone knows it's theatre, but (almost) everyone goes along with it. I don't get it. Saw this girl at the gym yesterday wearing a mask while running on the treadmill--she dropped it below her nose but kept over her mouth, as if this is stopping Covid.
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