Why is it the case that lower class attractive females end up as young single mother's?
I see this all the time. They are getting used and fucked and then they get pregnant and have to raise their child as a single mother. I feel like a lot of hot lower socioeconomic class ladies don't know their own self worth. They could do so much better than the rich average looking girls just based on looks, but they sell themselves short.
It's confusing to me. I see a lot of good-looking females that can do way better, but they don't. They let beta males impregnate them and then they leave them. Do they not see these guys are just using them? It's like the thought of that doesn't even register in their head.
Aren't girls very selective with who they sleep with? If some random beta dude is getting it, then I guess the standard isn't really that high for guys to begin with. Just some food for thought.
I guess most super hot looking girls are dumb as rocks?
A very attractive female: Favoured, glorified, and given free attention from society since the very beginning = Never had to work on their personality/people skills due to this = Weak ability to identify, attract, and secure a high-value man (who seeks someone who is more than just a pretty face).
Bingo
A high value man will be able to identify high-value women (not only hot/cute, but highly educated, athletic, passionate about an interest/hobby, etc.)
I agree! I think guys that are more experienced and know what they want can identify those things. An 18 year old guy probably won't be able to that and that is why I think getting married early is a death sentence unless he/she found the real one.
Most 18 year olds are still thinking about how many headshots they will get in fortnite or call of duty! It takes some growth to understand and identify who is good for you and who isn't.
Yep! I also think insecurity plays a big role!!! Most hot girls from lower socioeconomic backgrounds think they aren't enough so they tend to settle or most of them aren't really aware that they are actually really hot. Completely oblivious.
Uh oh this is about to devolve into a woman hating thread real quick.
Lower class people are more likely to come from.. get ready for it.. shittier families/homes/schools/etc.. most of them simply don’t know any better because they’re a product of their environment and surrounded by morons. With exposure, work, and a lot of luck, they have the opportunity to break the cycle but the odds are stacked against them
Nah, no hate here. It's just me making an observation and pointing out what I see in real life. You are right 100%. Most of the time they can't help it. They become a product of their envrionment, the people they associate with and stuff like that.
Fair enough
You're missing a lot of variables at play if you believe that looks is the only thing a guy looks for. Let's take one of the comments stated above and examine it in more detail
This comment is coming from the user who won't stop talking nonstop about how he wants to sleep with someone and is obsessed with fit bodies. The routine user of this site who arguably has the highest desire for good looks and even he wants
on top of that.
As you know lower class females are definitely not highly educated, they at best have graduated from high school if not dropping out from high school and working towards a GED.
Being athletic at a professional level requires money. These poor girls may go to the gym, but you can be sure that the "D1 Athlete" or any other high school designation is almost certainly not going to be present.
Interest/Hobbies again requires time and money to develop it. Many of these girls have been working random jobs since 16 (or the lowest age they can get one). Many will be bartenders and others will be practicing pole dancing to get a stripper gig at 21 but don't expect a lot more in terms of hobbies.
And the common response from an upper class male when he sees a girl with the attributes I've stated above will be to blame the victim
Namely, assume she's not highly educated and pursuing the interests because she's an idiot or lazy. Not realizing of course that poverty makes it close to impossible to pursue those "interesting" extracurriculars, and further more the girl comes from a poor (often single parent background) where it is simply impossible to afford anything other than public schools which often have (no joke) 50% literacy rates and poor instruction. There is next to no guidance to do things like study for the ACT/SAT and often the high school standards are so low, that even if the person manages to take the exam the grades will be poor. That doesn't imply laziness and stupidity, because the instruction was poor to start with.
On top of this I have seen a common requirement among upper class males to be coming from a stable household background (no "daddy issues" as they say).
Well guess what?
The lower class attractive female often comes from one of the following: single parent household, sexually abusive parent(s), drug addict parent(s), foster care, etc.
That's not her fault of course, she was born into that situation, but it's still a no go for many.
Let's throw in another common requirement of single (ear) piercing and no tattoos.
A butterfly on her foot? A few tattoos on her arm? A nose ring/ triple ear piercings? Many think that makes the woman deranged and crazy, when in reality it's just another way of style, but people don't get that.
Another requirement of many upper class guys is proper dress. You can interpret this as either quality of clothing (company, fabric, brand), or as straight up modesty (amount of clothing) and either way you'd be correct. Lower class attractive females tend to wear less quality clothes (because they're poor) and not always a "proper amount" (variety of factors including comes from a background that doesn't care, works in a profession that requires less so used to it, etc.) and that's the end for many guys.
So already you see very quickly that the white collar professional upper class male isn't so easily going to enter a LTR with the lower class attractive female like you think
But even if you Sir Frog the Jam decide you will overlook all of this, you still probably will not end up with a lower attractive female. Why?
a) You may be already married. Males that come from an upper class conservative background (queue BYU, SEC jokes) settle down early usually right after college marrying their college gf or high school sweetheart.
b) Geographical Proximity. It's fairly well known that long distance relationships are difficult and don't usually pan out as planned assuming there was not a strong connection before or the length of time of the long distance was not too bad. So that means, you are very likely to date someone who lives in close or relatively close proximity to you. To say it directly the apartments are unaffordable for young lower class females and hence they don't live there. Major cities are often segregated too, so it isn't like you can just walk a block over and meet those girls. You would have to commute across the city to look for someone, which most people won't bother with as there are hundreds of potential mates a block or two away. This doesn't even factor in all the rural towns and villages which have very little white collar work if any.
c)Societal Pressures. A lot of people seek validation in their decisions from friends and family. I'm not here to argue whether this is right or wrong, I'm only here to describe an attribute of human nature. When you tell your white collar friends and frat dudes that you're dating a girl who is a bartender or is a dancer at a club in the hood, what do you think will be their response. What about when you tell your family? There will absolutely be pushback and they will call your gf "white trash" and a whole bunch of derogatory slurs. Can you handle that and defend your gf in front of them?
And even if you're fine with accepting all of these inconveniences and cultural differences would you really do it for an incremental point or two in attractiveness?
You tell me. Would you date the marketing chick who grew up in a similar family situation, went to an Ivy League who lives 1 apartment building over and is highly regard by your friends and family who is a 7 or look for a 9 that grew up poor, was molested by her father, had a mother who died of a drug OD, lives a 45 min drive away from you in a sketchy part of town, flunked out of hs due to her mother's death (and is now working on the GED), serves at hooters with the goal of becoming a stripper, and is looked down upon by your friends and family?
Now to answer the second part of your question:
What exactly does beta mean here? Beta is relative to a person's environment. If a lower class attractive girl lives in the hood she will not see poor people as beta. That's like a millionaire telling your gf she's dating a beta because you only make six figures. With regards to "being selective", you have to realize that people who are selective are often emotionally stable and confident being independent. I've already laid out for you the what type of scenario the lower class attractive female who ends up as single mothers often grew up in. To say that there are some emotional issues and lack of confidence is an understatement. The typical school validation that an upper class girl would get is not present in a lower class girl because nobody at her school is rich enough to buy her $200 luxury chocolates or $100 bouquet of flowers. Compound this to natural hormones and the fact that it is standard for poorer people to settle down earlier, and it's no surprise that the lower class attractive female isn't waiting half a decade or more to "trade up".
You blew it away! A lot of your points were exactly what I was thinking about. I see it more often than not lower class females stay lower class even if they want to move up. It is like they can't help it. Of those lower class females only maybe 1/10 actually make it out and change their life for the better and for the next generation. I think the average lower class person is pretty short sighted. They don't think too much about their future and the next generation. It's hard to create generational wealth and advance/move up in soceity if no one thinks about how to actually get there.
Bartending for girls in college is totally fine. Even girls that go to college from lower class backgrounds I find themselves just settling. Looks aren't everything, and I feel like 100% of people can go to college and graduate with at least a bachelor's degree. Not being able to do so is just a sign of very low drive/passion. Public high schools have some of the lowest standards. Passing is 65, passing gets you no where. Even a 4.0 at a public isn't nothing compared to a top college prep high school with people that have above a 4.0 weighted GPA with AP classes and more difficult curriculum with way better instructors. The gap between the rich and the poor is enormous.
I would honestly gladly marry a self made poor women who is hot as fuck than one that grew up rich if everything else is constant. She just can't be dumb as rocks though. Looks aside, she has to have passion, motivation, drive, be college educated and honestly that's a very low standard. Everyone has a bachelor's degree today. I also think there is something very satisfying with making it from the bottom to the top. it's very rewarding!
If anything, the point of my post is to bring awareness to how sad it is to grow up poor and how everything is just astronomically harder because of that. Had the roles be reversed, Would anyone want a plain jane average looking, super smart girl who grew up poor over a drop dead gorgous rich girl that is below average intelligence from an affluence family? By below intelligence I mean she is sane and just normal. Nothing special, not meaning high school drop out.
The lower class females simply don't get the same opportunities. For them to be super hot, smart and make it out of their environment they basically have to hit the genetics jackpot and then on top of that they have to be lucky enough to make it in real life by going to a good school, getting a good job, and surrounding herself with successful people and then she has to marry a top tier guy. None of those things are an easy feat to accomplish. That's why these lower class females have everything going against them so they not making it and stay settling.
Lastly, not to mention most of them have no clue what the fuck to do in life. They are oblivious to what is a good career, what they should do at what age, they are just clueless overall and It's hard to blame them because they were disadvantaged from the very beginning. By being born into proverty/lower class is a death sentence for these people and the thing is most of them don't know that. They are just extremely content with where they are...
To be successful in today's world you have to start early. A lot of people on this website are high school students. Starting that early usually means someone in their family or friends circle works in investment banking, consulting, etc. and joined this website. From there they had family and friends that pushed them to study, get a good GPA, get good extracurriculars, do well on exams, etc. and then roll that in over into a good college. This does not discount factors as intelligence and hard work, but you have to have guidance on top of that to get there. It's simply unreasonable to expect someone from a poor background who probably has never heard of Deloitte, McKinsey, Evercore, etc. ever in their life, to automatically know the path to that life.
Apart from that, wealth is getting harder to create as COL goes up and QOL goes down. You know as well as I that most wealth is made through investing. To invest, you have to get yourself financially in a position to set aside money and never touch it for decades. That is simply impossible for people who live paycheck to paycheck.
Not for girls in college. I mean as a permanent, full-time gig.
I mean this comment only adds as another example to my initial post to prove why the chance of an attractive lower class female having a serious relationship with an upper class male is slim. Public high schools have low standards but also do not have good instruction which is the point I've made before. Even if someone does OK in English, that doesn't mean that student will be adequately prepared for the SAT/ACT and won't score good. If you think GPA is the only factor that matters in college admissions, you need to think again. Standardized test scores, good recommendations, extra curriculars, competitions/awards, athletics, you name it is required to get into a decent school. A lower class girl by default won't have several of these, and may not have any. And to even get a reasonable GPA a student needs a good environment to study in. That environment, support and guidance is often lacking. This doesn't mean of course that there aren't people who are genuinely lazy and don't care, but there are many who try but don't have the right recipe for success and can't make it out.
Have you every stopped and though about the fact that the gap between the rich and the poor may be in part due to the actions of the rich people and not just the poor people?
Who are you trying to impress by virtue signaling here? If "everything else is constant" she no longer is lower class, she's middle or upper class by definition. Are we calling VS models who grew up poor "lower class"? No, because even if they grew up poor, they have assimilated into the well to do class, and you wouldn't be able to tell that said person grew up poor. Class is a dynamic term that can change over one's life. For some odd reason you want to marry someone who has middle or upper class attributes (and is then middle or upper class) and then pat yourself on the back for reaching across the class divide (when in reality you didn't).
Well, considering only 30% of the US population holds a bachelor's degree, that's actually quite a high standard. I'm not too sure what "motivation/drive" means but something tells me we're headed back to the athletics/unique hobbies requirement again...
100% agree with this - couldn’t have said it better myself. Also I guess one other thing to consider is the actually dynamics of the relationship - whilst at first it might feel great for you being Prince Charming and making a 9/10 melt with various extravagant (to her) gifts, it can create an uneasy dynamic. How will you know if she’s just with you for your money? And how will she know that you didn’t go for her so you have some easily controllable (with money) trophy gf/wife?
Aside from the societal pressure as mentioned above (eg what your buddies will say) you likely will have very different outlooks on life. She might be the type of person who checks the prices of everything in the supermarket, and visits 3 different stores just to maximize the value of her food shop (understandable if she’s come from very humble beginnings). I seriously doubt you as a banker would want to spend your weekends doing that. Neither viewpoint is right or wrong, it’s just that they’re both vastly different.
I myself casually dated a bartender a while back, who came from very humble beginnings. Very nice hard-working girl - but our outlooks on life were just so different. Even things like her attitude to work - she didn’t really get why bankers work past their officially contracted 9-5hrs all the time when it’s “unpaid” (she didn’t get the link between that extra work and your bonus initially). Also as someone who hadn’t been around middle-class professionals or their families much growing up/in college, her view of “wealth” was pretty much the Kardashians - ie the more bling the better. Ostentatious wealth really impressed her, me not so much.
Of course I’m not necessarily saying relationships can’t work between people with vastly different backgrounds - of course they can. But OP would be naive to think it would be smooth sailing and there wouldn’t be some serious issues/hurdles to overcome, just because you’d both be very different. To do that just so you can “score a 9/10” seems like a big ask for the guy.
You should be happy that these girls have babies at all and help to perpetuate the race. Unlike the career oriented chicks who have babies at 40 that end up autistic.
Wait that exist? There are ladies at 40 having kids? I thought most ladies want to have babies in their early to mid 30s. Between 30 to 35.
Why is this thread debumped?
Is it really? DAM!
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