MBB London vs Continental Europe for PE Exits (and MBA)
Hi Monkeys,
I currently have an offer in hand for an MBB firm in their London office, with the option to continue recruiting with the other MBB firms back in my home country. I was wondering whether it was better to be based in London for PE exits or if it did not matter at all. My thinking for going back home would be that pay would be substantially better than in London, and if I get the same exit opps into PE I would thus be better off.
Also, regarding potential top MBA admission, is the London office viewed as more "prestigious" than those in Continental Europe? Does it matter? Is it better to be with McKinsey (arguably the top firm) in continental Europe or with BCG/Bain in London for the goals I have stated?
Thanks in advance.
May I ask where in Continental Europe?
London unless you want to do PE in your home country. I just went through this (MBB->PE) and being in vicinity of recruiters, offices, having them as your clients etc. is a huge benefit.
Can I pm you? Can you tell a bit more about your experience and the whole process?
You can ask here so others can follow as well
Sure, thanks a lot for taking the time. I wanted to know if you could elaborate on the whole "being in the vicinity of recruiters" with respect to buyside recruiting drawing on your personal experiences. Was the disadvantage for continental offices that strong? Does it matter at all in terms of reputation (for PE or MBA) to be in London?
Also, having spoken to some consultants, they have mentioned that they thought the switch to the buyside was easier coming from MBB (as opposed to the BB/EB pool), as you have much less competition (less consultant interested in this route) and HHs still target you heavily (ultimately they stayed in consulting by choice, not sure if this comment holds any weight). Just curious for your thoughts on that too.
Finally, if you could describe a little bit your process, kind of the timeline and also what did you do in order to prepare?
Would be highly interested in this as well. HH often mention that it has become much easier for people from MBB to move to PE in Europe. How easy is it actually based on peoples experience here (assuming you would work primarily on PE projects during your consulting stint)?
It's more from a practical viewpoint. These funds are in London, so doing an in-person interview is much easier to squeeze in if it takes 2-3 hours out of your day vs. a full day including travel. Most funds will do multiple rounds over multiple days, all happening roughly in the same period (September-December). Also, if you can work with some of the funds you can much more credibly argue you want to work there. Recruiters usually require coffee chats so easier to do that live as well, although those are probably also easily done over phone/zoom.
I doubt that is true. Maybe for the consultant heavy firms (e.g. BainCap) you might have a leg up as you're more familiar with the case studies, but the number of large cap funds you can realistically exit to is much smaller. What I did was just count out the number of consultants per fund as that'll give you a reasonable proxy of their willingness to hire consultants (which can be very different than the willingness to interview consultant). Suggest you do that for the size/type/strategy of firms you're interested in and draw your conclusions if this holds for your segment. Also, I know very few consultants (read: none) who did get a great offer and then decided to not go for it - it's not an easy or intuitive process for consultants.
Would recommend to interview in your 3rd or 4th year (give or take a few months either side). The 2 years and out like the US doesn't really seem to work as well and hires across the board are a bit more senior to begin with. There's a large cap recruiting 'round' in Sept-Dec as mentioned. This is a 'round' because a lot of firms interview in the same-ish time span to get people in the door. Then there's a second wave in Feb-March, mostly for mid-market or positions that went unfilled first time around. (Lower) mid-market is much less structured though and is more on a needs basis (e.g. a gap in the team because someone left).
Processes can take anywhere from a few days to weeks or even months dependent on the fund. You'll be approached by the headhunter (or approach them) and they will (or won't) "shortlist" you, which simply means to put your CV in front of the fund. The HHs recommend people etc. and the fund chooses who to do 1st round interviews with. Because of this HHs are key -- if you don't come across to them like someone who can land an offer and is likeable you'll get fewer opportunities to interview.
In my experience, the minimum number of rounds is 2 with a case study (e.g. Bain Cap is 2 rounds with 8 interviews total (incl. 1 case study), with a chat with the fund head at the end), but can go much higher. Processes are generally structured across multiple days and you'll hear back after each round if you'll continue with the process. Most likely your interviews will involve a combination of motivational, behavioural, deal experience, consulting style cases, financial cases, and an LBO test with commercial assessment. Can include investment ideas/themes as well (i.e. pitch a company/target basically).
Follow, would be curious to know
BCG biggest office in Europe is Paris, it's huge (500+ consultants) and their clients is more than half of the CAC40 companies.
For McKinsey and Bain, London is probably more prestigious
I am not sure about size, but just looking at Linkedin numbers it seems that the London office is the biggest in Europe for all MBBs
Size doesn't equate to being a better office
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McK Germany is very strong
Bump, really hesitating on whether I should pursue McKinsey in Continental Europe or be happy with Bain/BCG in London. I truly have no strong personal feelings either way, but want to optimize my chances for a great MBA and PE fund out of this gig.
Take Bain or BCG London if you want to do PE in London. McKinsey doesn't have a leg up on them. If you want to do PE in your home country, try to land an offer there or transfer your offer.
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