MF PC vs MF Special Sits
Assuming they’re at the same firm, what are typically the differences in culture, comp, etc. for PC compared to Special Sits at firms like Bain/KKR/Apollo, and which one is typically more interesting work?
Assuming they’re at the same firm, what are typically the differences in culture, comp, etc. for PC compared to Special Sits at firms like Bain/KKR/Apollo, and which one is typically more interesting work?
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Avoid KKR Special Sits — work culture and work experience is not worth the brand name.
Could you elaborate on what the culture there is like vs. the rest of the firm?
Can you pls expand I was under the impression this group had been turned around
What’s your source on this? I’m at a similar special situations / structured equity group (sixth street / APO hybrid value / BX TacOpps) and have a friend at KKR. We work similar hours (all bets are off when live deals hit their stride, of course) but generally it seems like the senior people have respect for their time and he doesn’t get blown up much. Believe they do more structured equity deals (and even some royalty IP stuff) than the pure distressed / credit deals they used to do. Group rebranded itself after the old strategy went downhill and I believe a few people turned over; any chance the old group is what you’re referring to? Have heard only good things about the new group, only downside seems to be having to get to Hudson Yards from anywhere on the East side.
KKR merged the SS team into the PC fund (similarly to GSAM and Carlyle). Haven’t heard anything bad about culture.
Regarding OP’s post, at a special sits shop you target returns in the mid-high teens, typically with the ability to invest up and down the cap stack, and you are typically industry agnostic. Many special sits firms do primarily private deals (rescue financing, convertible pref / participating pref with warrants, DIPs, NPLs) but have the ability to do publics as well (typically buying in/out of distressed 1L/2Ls). They also can do more niche deals like Apollo’s bond deal backed by Concord’s music rights. Diligence on deals like these takes longer and so you aren’t churning out deals every few weeks like in PC.
PC (which can cover a wide umbrella of strategies depending on which firm you’re at; I’ll narrow it to direct lending for the purpose of this post) at a MF like the ones you listed above is similar to PC at most shops. You target low-teens unlevered returns (and many PC shops are back levering these days). As a junior person, you’ll be placed on a new opp every few weeks and will have a CIM to go through, a model to run, and will help develop thoughts on leverage, covenants, etc. I’ve heard that PC groups are typically subdivided by industry, so junior people are typically not industry-agnostic. The process from receiving a CIM to going through IC to closing is much quicker than in SS deals, as PC deals are usually less hairy (and my friends who work in PC say they normally leverage past templates for models when new deals come in). Shops like HPS do deals with a bit more hair but at most PC firms, the process is pretty straightforward and hours can be more predictable than in SS as a result. Anecdotally, comp in special sits groups tends to be higher than comp in PC given the higher equity-like return profile.
Agree with all this, save most direct lenders target low-teens returns if they are levered. PC deals are meant to be boring. If a PC deal goes to the SS side, something went wrong and LPs/clients won't be happy. Also worth noting that SS may require more of an exit strategy, as PC firms often may keep a borrower in their portfolio even if it trades hands among sponsors.
Can you explain your last point when you say that PC funds may keep a borrower in their portfolio even if it trades hands?
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Any info on Bain Capital since they spun off Special Situations from Bain Capital Credit?
They didn’t spin off, they just relabelled the strategy. The SS fund was always separate.
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