I’ve seen across this site, mainly on the PE and IB forums, that folks at PE firms typically get forced out after 2-3 years and go to business school or to a different firm. Is this the truth for real estate private equity firms as well, or do folks tend to be more sticky there besides for usual turnover?
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Much less common in real estate, generally not seeing 2 year programs, but there are a few that do have that practice. Anecdotally, I've heard CIM is like that, but I also have friends there who went A2A or whatever the similar program is.
Everything I've heard about CIM is awful. They treat their "development" staff as GCs. I'd shoot myself if I was doing permitting, design work, etc. while also managing the drywall sub...
It's definitely a grinding culture and the top guys there are very... unique. We've hired a few people out of their shops and they seem decent enough, but I personally wouldn't want to work there.
Would echo the above, there are 2 year programs such as those at CIM but if you're good they will promote you to AVP/VP. Even at the traditional MF's like TPG/Oaktree/Ares, many of the VPs were promoted from Associate. None of the AVPs and up at the REPE shop I'm at have an MBA.
Carlyle is 2 and out
I've only heard of this setup at some of the large/big name traditional private equity shops that appear to apply it to the real estate groups equally (Carlyle as stated above is one that I've heard does that). I don't think the more traditional wide gamut real estate investment management shops (PGIM, Nuveen, CBRE GI, etc.) structure this way.
On a flip side, there seems to be fewer UG analyst programs at many of these shops as well, and they often hire post-grad school and/or from experienced candidate pools including those from related fields like banking/brokerage. Thus, if you don't make hiring large amounts of UG a big part of your staffing strategy, you may not feel compelled to structure as a "2 and out".
Many large scale developers don't even bother seeking people without grad degrees and/or other experience, too many good candidates exist who want to enter the field to have to deal with 22/23 year olds. I think this is also true for many investment mgnt shops. Since real estate is so many people's "exit opportunity", you can hire people who actually want to work in the field. I think PE and IB run the 2/3 and out programs because they know many will quit anyway, and they don't want to be stuck with those who couldn't get a better job or into grad school.
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