Is MSRE worth it?
First time poster weirdly kinda nervous.
So I am going into my final year of undergrad from a small non-target school in a big Texas city. Solid GPA, 1 good internship at a small REPE shop, so my resume doesn’t look too bad.
I am trying to figure out if getting a MSRE is it worth it? I feel like I can leverage my network during the upcoming year and land a good job and gain experience rather than going to school for another year and a half.
But at the same time the network you would gain from a program like A&M’s MSRE seems invaluable. I would learn a lot about the industry and maybe be able to land a cushier job in acquisitions/development.
If anyone else is in this position or was in the past, could you please share your experience?
Have a few of friends in MSRE / equivalent programs in Ivys. Some observations:
You might want to talk to some current students and get their take.
Well summarized. Attended one of those as well. I'd only add, the biggest reason to attend these programs is to make friends. If you're looking to meet a bunch (in this case, class size if ~125) of RE people, attend a MSRED. If you want a more diverse group of friends that'll end up in different industries, attend an MBA.
I'd also say if you're looking to recruit for one of those more-structured career paths (ie. IB, Consulting, Tech?), MBA is better. If you're looking to make RE friends from construction/architecture/brokerage etc.. that you may wound up doing side deals with, MSRED is better.
Have fun and make tons of friends in both.
Agree it will be more meaningful with some experience under your belt.
Work on a team with an MSRE grad and an MBA grad, as well as people with no grad school. All can get you to same place. It’s about being hungry. Most people in real estate don’t give a shit about msre/mba/no grad school. It’s all about your ability to produce or perform. Whatever you choose, go all in and get as much out of it as you can and you’ll be fine.
Don’t take this too hard but it’s just my two cents. I never understood why someone with years of exp would go back to school for a grad program. If you’re proactive in the industry, you can easily meet people at even “prestigious” firms or highly successful execs.
Only reason I can see someone going back for MBA/MSRE is if they do not like their current role. For a data point, I’m at a large, renowned firm and we don’t pay extra if you have MBA/MSRE/JD/PhD. You’re base pay is same if you are at same level. Your degree has 0 impact on what the firm comps you at bonus time too.
Just commented above. But friendships from graduate schools are a lot more organic than those you make at a networking event. You also meet people from very diverse background across the world as opposed to a bunch of RE people in your city. Don't disagree on your point of view regarding job pay, people may just want to enrich their lives with more friends in their industry and take a year of from work.
Unless money is burning a hole in your pocket, you don't need an advanced degree. If you do choose to get an advanced degree, it should be from a top school (better branding and network) but absolutely don't go into debt for it.
FYI and you can find the employment reports online, even the best business schools for real estate (Wharton, Kellogg, CBS) hardly place in the industry. You'll likely get funneled into consulting or IB. Don't necessarily agree with MBA over MSRE because of that (there are a lot of Columbia and NYU MSRE kids all over the place in New York). Experience triumphs any degree though.
I’ll caveat all of the above with the simple fact that most of them are correct, HOWEVER if you want to do CRE in Texas the A&M MSRE is very good training and has a great alum network to tap into and the MBA from McCombs (UT) has a fantastic reputation and alum network in DFW/Houston/Austin, etc. All depends on what you’re going for. If it’s Hines or bust, I’d say you need that advanced degree to even get an interview. If you’re willing to hustle and network then you’ll land at a good spot.
Never really understood the weird advanced degree obsession coming from shops like Hines / Related, but it does seem very prevalent.
This is going to be a thought dump:
If you want to be in Texas for CRE do it. The alumni network is outstanding. However, you can land good jobs outside of Texas, as well. Though not as active Dan Sparks and Cydnee Donnell. Have great connections in NYC and northeast.
Former CFO of lonestar/Hudson Advisors has been very willing to help students as well.
You are a lot more prepared for REPE interviews then most people applying for similar roles coming out of undergrad. But if BX is the goal, then you need to do a lot of networking on your own. But I would highly recommend A&M MRE. But expect some lighthearted jokes about you being from UT.
It is up to you. But you ended making good relationships with students who are all going into CRE and will eventually have very successful careers. I think it was well worth it. But there is also an opportunity cost. You have to weigh that on your own
I did the MSRE route. Here's my two cents:
The alumni network coming from Texas A&M's MRE program may be valuable since they have a strong real estate network. UT and Rice (MBA) as well.
Would not advise doing this if you’re going to be taking out loans to attend. Most people who do these programs do so out of necessity rather than pure interest; either as a career pivot or because they didn’t land a desirable role out of undergrad.
Many people coming out of the programs will have a strong network but they don’t necessarily know anything more than someone with 1-2 years experience will have. And you’re going to be recruiting for Analyst level roles for the most part, with $100k+ in loans over your head. Only do it is absolutely necessary or if money is not an object.
so, you didn't say what you majored in and if you took any RE classes as part of your studies (like even if just electives in a business or finance program).....
To me the answer to the above matters a lot.... IF you majored in RE or finance with lots of RE classes.... you are unlikely to learn much new from an MSRE.
IF, on the other hand, you majored in something like art history, and then discovered real estate late in college, then an MSRE is kinda like a full "do over".
As I suspect you are in the first group given the context of the post.... I'd probably advise working a few years before going to grad school if ever. Depending on region, a grad degree may be more "required" if you wish to progress at major firms. This fact is super true in all the markets along the Acela corridor, where even small time firms can be loaded with Ivy grads with MBAs/JDs/MSREs/etc., and less true in the Southeast. Texas (if that is your full target lifetime market), is mixed.... The shops (like Hines) will care tons, but outside of the big institutional names, prob won't matter so much. BUT, the relative advantage will be higher in such markets, if fewer people have grad degrees, just the way it works!
Either way.... do it only as a fall-back plan at this point if at all, it really shouldn't be your goal right now.
MSRE=scrub………howevvvvver if you’ve exhausted all options and still can’t land a solid role, have the money and time; then one of the top programs can do you good IF you still have a decent resume.
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