Do Undergrad Extracurriculars Matter in MBA Applications?
I always see people talking about extracurriculars in terms of post-college for MBA applications. Are extracurriculars done in undergrad like leadership roles in different clubs taken into account?
Thanks!
If you're 1-2 years out of college at time of application, yes. But unless you're truly special if you're applying with such little experience your odds are long regardless.
Beyond a few years out of college, no.
A related question: What sort of things are looked into to judge an applicants leadership skills/personality if the aim is H/S/W 4 years out of college? Are examples of leadership within the workplace sufficient or is it important to have significant external involvement with social organizations etc.
The "leadership" thing is a bit of a smokescreen. Not that it's unimportant if you have it, but if you do a flyover of LinkedIn profiles of current MBA students at H/S/W, it's not like it's teeming with world class leaders who have supervised armies of employees or volunteers (yes a few may have, but they are in the minority).
But what IS the more common denominator?
Most of them went to top schools in their respective countries. In the US, that's Ivy/Stanford/MIT/Duke/Cal/UVA/Mich/Texas/UCLA, and add in the 7 Sisters a few lib arts colleges, and NYU/Northwestern/USC, and you basically have your American contingent.
A lot also worked at top tier firms for a bit - not necessarily their current employer, but they spent at least some time at a bulge bracket or top boutique, MBB consulting, or Google/Facebook/etc. Or if it's non-profit/public service it's Teach For America, IMF, World Bank, IFC, etc. Basically large organizations that are established AND selective in their hiring practices.
They also have solid GPAs and GMATs.
That's really the big 3 (college pedigree, some time in an exclusive global firm, and solid numbers). Those 3 alone won't get you in (as there's plenty of folks who don't), but that pushes the needle forward more than anything else. Also, it's not necessarily because the adcoms are brand whores, but that these things are harder to "spin" - you either worked at McKinsey, or you didn't. You have a 760 GMAT, or a 680. Your GPA is strong, or it's not. You went to Princeton, or you didn't.
"Leadership" is a bit of a nebulous thing anyhow especially for folks in their early 20s. Rather than preoccupy yourself with that, focus more on doing a deep dive into group activities that you LOVE. Causes that you believe in. Find your community of like-minded people outside of work (if you have time outside of work) to make a difference. It's real easy when you're working full-time to just spend your free time kicking back and doing nothing (or just being hedonistic - i.e. indulging in expensive social things, vacations, buying toys, etc) but the high achievers are those who spend their time growing and learning and staying engaged in organized group activities that they believe in (and that they find fun - but it's productive fun). It's not just good for applications, it's good for your life. If you are staying busying outside of work, even if you have relatively little free time, but use that free time to stay productive and growing - you won't have to "spin" anything in your essays or interviews. You don't have to search for "leadership opportunities" - they will more organically come up when you're deep diving into group stuff that you love to do regardless (i.e. the more involved you are, the more skills and experience you develop in that group, etc - the more leadership opportunities will naturally come up).
You need a good GMAT and good work experience. The number of clubs you were in or the number of leadership positions you held at volunteer organizations only matter if you don't have real work experience (i.e. you did Teach for America, traveled to Africa to help the hungry, etc.) People get so consumed by the nonsensical stuff in application. Could it make a slight difference in the end? It's possible, but w/o the GMAT and work experience or a "unique" story / back story, it's a way to add something to the application that doesn't really matter.
How important are ECs? (Originally Posted: 08/03/2011)
Hey guys,
I've been reading a lot about having ECs on the resume when applying to an MBA program. Are these ECs during college or would I have to do stuff during work as well?
I was thinking about doing a volunteer program during work(I volunteered throughout HS and college), but I am currently an IB analyst and I seriously doubt I'll find the time to do it.
Another quick question about the top MBA programs...what percent of the H/S/W students are from top undergrad schools? I went to a public school and I'm currently working at a MM firm. Is this going to hurt me?
Thank you!
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