Does indian count as URM?
Just wondering if indian would count to as being an URM (since my other stats aren't that great). I grew up in poverty in a western european country. Due to political tensions my parents needed to leave India without completing their HS. Therefore, I guess I would qualify as being a 1st generation college degree holder (whatever that BS is called in the US)?
My background:
ER at a well-known MM (think jeffs, RBC) in London
I have a bachelors from a known (but not elite) target in europe (like RSM, ESCP, UCL not Bocconi/HEC/LSE)
GMAT: 730
No, it doesn't count
URM (race) = Black / Hispanic / Native American
But you do count as first gen
It should but indians and Asians get screwed because so many of them are smart.
The only people who win in this political climate are black and Hispanic and women.
Sometimes it sucks to be white, indian or Asian male since so many of them are smart.
It's not that Indians are inherently smarter than any one, rather some of the smartest Indians migrate here….selection bias. This is one reason why Indians are the highest earning demographic in America, so no Indians are not URM. They are a minority, but overrepresented in high paying jobs and in elite education. Compared to your Indian peers you’d look bad on paper, but it’s up to you to tell your story and nail interviews. Once you get to interview stage most things are within your control.
One could argue that if instead of specialised visa holders, if most of the Indians which migrated here were refugees then the situation would've been much different e.g. Vietnamese Americans are amongst the most impoverished demographics in America.
What a fucked up statement, the reason my parents left literally makes them refugees. Growing up in poverty, I faced the same challenges many of these URM kids felt (incl. racism). And yes while my parents pushed me to do reasonably well in school, they never knew of careers in finance (beside accounting). So why don't I qualify?
Not the case everywhere. In the U.K., many came over incredibly poor. They made a name for themselves and have become the highest earning ethnicity here and multiple other countries not because of selection bias but it’s the culture of them actually having to do well
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I guess you don’t go to an Ivy League school or work in finance/medicine/tech, because all Asians and Indians in those fields are very bright.
thats a rough way to put it. i kinda agree that theyre overrate tho. lots of cheating at undergrad level here which helps them get good gpas and into top firms.
I've had the complete opposite perception of every Indian kid at my university. Extremely hardworking, clever, motivated, etc.
CEOs of Msoft and Google are Indian lol jelly boy
CEO of Google and Microsoft are Indian.
Can’t name a single Turkish or Albanian CEO of a top 5 tech company lol
For some reason asians and indians don't count even though racism is very real towards anyone brown, especially if you grew up post 9/11.
It's not a mystery. Asians aren't generally considered URM because they aren't underrepresented in schools or the top industries.
INDIANS ARE ASIANS. Why do people separate them??
People from Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, and Pakistan are not Indian. They are South Asian which makes them racially Asian. Indians are people from India only!!
nope, wrong shade of brown
Any demographic that does extraordinarily well in America is not considered an underrepresented minority. The URM title is reserved for demographics that don’t do well in American society due to systemic racism and institutionalized white privileged. For some odd reason, the Asian and Indian populace are immune to these diseases. It is not very clear why, but scientists are working very hard on this issue. We hope the cure can be passed on to blacks and Hispanics once it is discovered, but in the mean time we will have yearly diversity programs in case the white privilege disease mutates.
URM stands for under-represented minority and is only used in elite institutions because lower-tier institutions tend to have equal representation. It just means a group is under-represented at a given institution.So, OP, unless there are very few Indians/Asians at the institution you're at then no, you will not be an URM.But honestly you're not Indian anymore, now you're now half-Indian (dad), half Dominican (mom). Seriously, do you think they check your background? They don't. Just claim Latino, I saw some European guy named Hans do it in SEO and thought it was hilarious. Do what you need to do to break in if that's what you really want.
Check the HR portals for the big employers, they have gone broad in the last years and have more than just URM yes/no.
Being Indian alone would not be a URM, everyone who works in banking knows that, if anything, colleagues of Indian origin are typically overrepresented (compared to the demographics of the nation they are in).
The Jewish people have been more persecuted than any other group in the history of the world and face more hate crimes per capita in the US than any other single group. However, they face the inverse of AA (i.e., opposite of URM). Being from a persecuted group is not enough for adcoms.
You can still talk about overcoming adversity or persecution in your essays or interviews. You just won't be considered URM if you are over-represented at the school or industry.
That's some kind of double standard BS, son.
Without going into a whole essay, do you seriously think my stating in the essay that I'm the grandson of Holocaust survivors, son of people who were treated with bias daily growing up, and that I myself faced antisemitism daily in a grade with just 4 other Jews will get me anywhere? I don't think you're that naive. There are very particular types of prejudice that are fashionable now, and even if I wanted to bring those up (which I wouldn't because it's not like it's the crux or some relevant piece of my background), adcom would roll their eyes.
While they are not considered URM, this is absolutely braindead logic. Barack Obama is half-black and he served as President of the U.S. for 8 years.
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