Getting a (maybe UK) master's degree (non-MBA) for a US student

Hi all,

I currently attend a frankly shitty undergrad school (sends basically 0 kids to IB every year, and definitely no BB) on a full ride scholarship and will start work full-time in Credit Risk at a top BB (JPM/GS/MS) at a non-NY location after I graduate in May.

I recently spoke with a professor who earned a PhD at a very prestigious UK business school (LSE/LBS/Oxbridge), and he mentioned that I should consider going back to school for a Master's degree after a year of working full-time to improve my brand and that the undergrad name would likely stick with me for the rest of my career. What I think he might be misjudging a bit, however, would be my ability to simply do an internal transfer to a FO role after ~2 years of experience in Credit Risk which is my current plan--from what I've gathered, US culture in banks is much more meritocratic in that regard and do not care as much about what school you went to versus Europe.

While I have considered going back to school, it's mainly been in the context of *maybe* getting an MBA, which would be much more of a medium/long-term goal versus an MFin after just a year of work. Reading through the posts here, it seems that most people do not see a MFin as a worthwhile investment for a few reasons, but I'm curious how the calculus would possibly change if I tried to go to a super-target school in the UK, which according to my professor would be within my reach given my grades/scores/experience and rec letters that I would be able to get.

Obviously this would be an unusual path as I am from the US and have never even lived outside of my hometown (I stayed at home for undergrad), but the idea is actually starting to grow on me for a few reasons (not in any particular order of importance):

  1. Living abroad [pro and a con] - would be a fascinating experience and would hopefully learn/grow a lot
  2. Knowledge - going through a rigorous grad program would give me much better understanding of finance/econ than I have gotten so far in undergrad, which I feel is lacking
  3. Job opportunities - self explanatory, but concerns about recruiting for NY (or London?) roles given timeline
  4. Financials - I should be able to pay for it using money I earn working for a year or so in my full-time role

That said, there are definitely a few drawbacks that come to mind:

  1. Expensive as shit - fairly self-explanatory; while I will have the money, it's a lot to spend
  2. Living abroad [pro and a con] - huge cultural shift; may be overwhelming
  3. Difficulty - school honestly just seems harder in Europe than in the US, and adding on top of that how easy my current undergrad has been, it will be a big step up
  4. Recruiting timeline - some programs are only 9 months i.e., 1 school year, so I'm not entirely sure how recruiting would even work (especially for NY jobs) given that applications for summer analyst roles will open ~9 months before I even start grad school.
  5. Brand reach - how strong would an LBS/LSE/Oxbridge-type name even be for NY jobs (or just US in general)? Would I probably be expected to work in London for a few years?

That's a lot of information, but it's such a relatively unique situation I haven't found much online about the idea and figured I would post here to see if anyone could give some insight. Feel free to comment if you have ideas about any elements of the post, including about getting an MFin from a US school, or literally anything else.

Thanks!

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's a breakdown of your situation and considerations:

Pros of Pursuing a UK Master's Degree:

  1. Living Abroad: Studying in the UK at a top-tier institution like LSE, LBS, or Oxbridge would provide international exposure, which is highly valued in finance. It could also help you grow personally and professionally.
  2. Knowledge Enhancement: UK programs, especially at schools like LSE and Oxbridge, are known for their rigorous academic structure. This could fill the gaps in your finance/economics knowledge and prepare you for more technical roles.
  3. Brand Name: A degree from a super-target UK school could significantly boost your resume, especially if your undergrad institution lacks prestige. This could help mitigate the "undergrad name" issue in the long term.
  4. Job Opportunities: UK schools like LSE, LBS, and Oxbridge have strong placement records in London IB roles and, to some extent, NY roles. Their alumni networks are extensive and could open doors in both regions.
  5. Financial Feasibility: If you can fund the degree with your earnings, it reduces the financial strain compared to taking on debt.

Cons and Challenges:

  1. Cost: UK programs are expensive, and while you can afford it, you need to weigh the ROI carefully. Will the degree significantly improve your career trajectory compared to staying in your current role and transitioning internally?
  2. Cultural Shift: Moving abroad can be overwhelming, especially if you've never lived outside your hometown. However, this could also be a growth opportunity.
  3. Recruiting Timeline: UK master's programs are often shorter (9-12 months), which can complicate recruiting for NY roles. London recruiting might align better with the program's timeline.
  4. Brand Reach in the US: While LSE, LBS, and Oxbridge are prestigious, their brand recognition in the US is not as strong as in Europe. You might need to work in London initially before transitioning to NY.
  5. Difficulty: UK programs are academically intense, and the transition from a less rigorous undergrad could be challenging.

Key Considerations:

  • Internal Transfer vs. Master's: If your current BB role offers a clear path to FO through internal mobility, that might be a more cost-effective and straightforward route. US banks often value performance and internal experience over academic pedigree.
  • UK vs. US Master's: If you're set on a master's, consider whether a US program (e.g., MIT, Princeton) might offer better ROI and brand recognition for NY roles.
  • Long-Term Goals: If your ultimate goal is to work in NY, carefully evaluate whether a UK degree aligns with that. If you're open to working in London, a UK master's could be a strong option.

Recommendations:

  1. Research Programs: Look into the specific placement stats and alumni networks of LSE, LBS, and Oxbridge for NY roles. Programs like LBS MFA and LSE MSc Finance are highly career-focused and have strong IB placement records.
  2. Speak to Alumni: Reach out to alumni from these programs (especially those who transitioned to NY) to understand their experiences and outcomes.
  3. Evaluate ROI: Consider the cost of the degree versus the potential salary increase and career opportunities it could unlock.
  4. Timing: If you're unsure, you could work for 2-3 years, build experience, and then decide whether to pursue a master's or an MBA.

Ultimately, a UK master's could be a great option if you're looking for international exposure and a brand boost, but ensure it aligns with your long-term career goals and offers a clear ROI.

Sources: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/school/uk-master-in-finance-advice?customgpt=1, European Master in Finance programmes (pre-experience), MSF Class of 2018, Profile Evaluation: MSc in Finance at LBS, LSE, Imperial, Said or MIT, MSc Finance Profile Evaluation (LSE Finance, LBS Financial Analysis, Oxford Financial Economics)

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I’d take the GRE / GMAT first to see if your going to need a lot of prep for the real exam and to get the desired scores, then decide if this is even a worthwhile option.

I actually took a practice GMAT yesterday thru mba.com with zero prep and got 91st percentile for verbal and data insights (84V/81DI) but did super bad on the quant part (64Q lol) since I completely ran out of time and left like 4 questions blank which apparently penalizes you like crazy. Given those scores with zero prep, I feel pretty confident that with some targeted prep for a month or two I could achieve a competitive score for the profile of the schools I would be looking at.
 

Any thoughts on whether GMAT or GRE would be better to take? GMAT quant was definitely very tricky and GRE is more straightforward from what I've researched (but in turn has a lower ceiling versus the GMAT), so not sure which would ultimately be best

 
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If you're American and want to work in the US, do not attend an MSF in the UK/Europe. The recruiting pipeline out of these programs is primarily for London and the wider EMEA, and the brand doesn't hold up as well stateside vis a vis local targets, even in the case of Oxbridge and LSE. Grind it out for a few years, crush the GMAT/GRE and aim for an M7 MBA.

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