MBA: Stanford or Harvard?
Hi folks. I was lucky enough to have been accepted to both the Harvard and Stanford MBA programs. I would really appreciate any advice/thoughts on things I should consider while making this decision.
Here is some potentially relevant information/questions:
(1) My intention is to build a start-up upon graduation. Stanford is near Silicon Valley, but is geographical proximity such a big factor (just a plane ride away... and lots going on in Boston anyway)? Also, HBS has been investing a lot in entrepreneurship. Finally, I know that Stanford has a "start-up culture". Is this a positive or a negative? Getting exposed to different ideas might be more useful. Thoughts?
(2) My undergrad has no strong brand value. If I decide during the MBA to do something a bit more traditional, is one program more advantageous than the other?
(3) The Harvard brand is generally stronger, but is it stronger among those in the upper ranks (who know about these MBA programs well) too?
Thanks!
It's funny how these days, people say "going into startups" like they used to say "working in finance". Neither statement is particularly meaningful if you don't know what you're referring to specifically
90% of startups fail, OP. That's a published statistic. Do you even have an idea to start out with? Means of obtaining capital?
Someone didn't like your dose of truth. I've noticed that too, people saying they want to build or join a startup is a hip phrase these days.
Lots and lots of butthurt people on these boards. I've been getting poo thrown at me left and right
At Booth, we have coursework geared to guiding you through each step of the startup process, from developing an idea based on an unmet market need, selling that idea as a cash strapped entrepreneur, developing a prototype/product, finding venture capital, how valuation and funding works, etc. And since most startups require multiple founders, 60-70% of people don't come to school with ideas that end up working for startups. Additionally, if your first year startup idea doesn't really come along well you can reboot in year two with something else. I'd have to imagine that both HBS and Stanford have the same. I didn't here for startups or pursue the opportunity, and before school scoffed at going for your MBA to start a business. But the resources at top schools are really amazing. It's definitely a value add.
Financing? If you've got a VC before school, don't go for your full time MBA. Any MBA business schools ">M7 school will have a good accelerator to help with the funding process.
Thanks for all the insight. With all these programs it's such a mystery why the startup failure rate is so high. After taking the necessary classes anyone can be an entreprenoor and have their very own startup
unless you have a harvard undergrad, I would pick HBS every time assuming everything else equals.
Not to annoy you with various stats for HBS, but there is literally no downside, especially if you want to do a deferred entry, why don't you just stay in the Bay Area before MBA again? That wipes out the only geographical weakness you had in mind.
Either way, best of luck, you can't go wrong with Stanford GSB as it's an amazing school, and you probably can't go wrong NOT attending either school as well. But Harvard is like the brand to not make fun of, if you look at all sort of dimensions of data and perception biases.
In my opinion, the answers to your 2 and 3 are they are pretty equal. I would worry more about question 1.
In terms of entrepreneurship, being close to the valley is a huge advantage, and I guarantee that if you're in Boston you will not be going there as often (walking/Caltrain vs. flight). That being said, everyone and their Mama is starting a business at Stanford, but Harvard has way more students so it might be an equal number, but not an equal percentage. The reason I'm mentioning this is because I just graduated from an MBA program that doesn't have as many people interested in entrepreneurship. That was a huge benefit to me because I got a TON of resources for my community with little competition.
For me personally, I love not following the crowd so it was refreshing to be part of a small intimate startup scene. I doubt that would be the case at Stanford, and a little less so at Harvard, although from what I know a lot of people are interested in entrepreneurship there. If it were me, I would choose Stanford because of proximity to the valley, and proximity to startups/tech in the Bay, as you never know if you change your mind and want to work at a startup/tech company. My two cents.
Source: MBA graduate who interned in the bay last summer.
I did not have the luxury of this decision but when applying I was ranking Stanford>Harvard. I can't comment too much on the startup benefits of either school but really I think good ideas at either will get funded fairly equally and both can lead you to the valley after. Don't underweight the other parts of the experience including your fit with classmates/culture and flexible curriculum vs strict cohort. The flexibility of Stanford was a huge draw for me. You might prefer the same if you're working on launching a business at the same time; or, you may prefer that the cohort structure pulls you back to a set of classmates outside of the startup bschool culture. This is a big differentiator between the two schools in terms of fit.
You are in a fortunate situation, and you should be good to go at either school. I never got a MBA for opportunity cost reasons. Having worked in tech IB and 5 years ago founded a healthcare tech company, I would choose Stanford.
I've had a bunch of friends attend each school, and all but one of my GSB friends have started successful companies (the other guy did a search fund). I only know one startup founder from the HBS crowd. Most of those friends continued in finance or went corporate. My view is crafted from a limited data set, but that's what I've observed. I also hate the weather and Patriots fans in Boston so that makes it an easy choice.
One point you might want to consider - if you want to start a company, do you want to focus on enterprise or consumer startups? For consumer focused companies 100% you need to be in the Bay Area. For enterprise focused companies it's much less clear as the Boston VCs are more enterprise focused overall, although the Bay Area has plenty of that as well.
I know that this should be one of the last factors and will ultimately not the tip the scales one way or the other but I feel it should be mentioned.
Harvard doesn't count grad school alumni for legacy admissions, while Stanford does. If/when you have kids, they will have a greater chance of getting into Stanford as they will have legacy with GSB while Harvard wouldn't give two monkey shits that you went to HBS.
Repeating that this isn't even in the top 20 reasons to choose a school but I feel it should be mentioned as many of us value education and would want our future kids to have an easier time getting an elite education (especially as acceptance rates get absurdly low compared to just 20 years ago).
Saw this and remembered this thread:
Stanford offers best MBA for entrepreneurship