I am getting a certificate from Baruch and another from NYU. and I was (un)fortunate enough to have a professor who teaches me two different courses; one at each school. For a final on the class he teaches at Baruch we were asked to submit a valuation and I got an A. Life is perfect, everything is going well and I was pretty happy.
For his final at NYU, we had to observe and analyze a certain stock in the energy sector and give our recommendations: Invest or don't invest. On the exec summary I recommended not to invest based on my observations AND my risk tolerance.
He gives me a B+, and when I ask him what went wrong he says : You're too smart for your own good and you're creating a monster you are not aware of. Maybe this will help you tone it down. I am enraged, not because I got a B+ (well, a little), but because his answer is bull cakes garnished with horse pee. I hate vague answers that are not objective and it gives me no ground for improvement.
I asked for a clarification and suggestions on what I can do to abort the monster before it's born and he didn't get back to me (been 5 days). How would you proceed assuming that he is teaching me the advanced chapter of this course next semester?
:'(
Wtf.. I do not understand his comments.
He's a little prick who is scared of his student becoming smarter than he is. He thought he'd try to stamp his authority, simples.
We should start a club.
Oh Tony, don't you cry. There there.
haha...im crying cause i feel bad for you..thats bullshit..you should kick him in the dick
I did, in my mind, I did kick him in the dick so many times before to the point it fell off and then I stomped on it. I was wearing 6 inch stilts. After I was done, I fed it to him. Forcibly.
what the fuck does that even mean?
Cool story.
Thanks, bro
Do you mind sharing professor name? I am curious. If you don't want to state publicly you can PM me. I totally feel for you. I've had some dick professors.
Let's just say that he is VERY popular for discussing "worst case scenarios"
Final project in the advanced class: Buy a swan, paint it black, and give it to him.
A+. Or maybe I'm completely off base.
Soriano?
nah just throwing out names.
I would have challenged him on the spot about it rigorously, maybe that's what he wanted you to do.
Is it Dr. Dre?
Hard to do in an email.
Suck it up and grow a pair. Sometimes people don't like you. Probably because you're the type of insecure ass hat who comes to WSO to complain about getting a B+ while humble bragging that your prof told you you're "too smart for your own good."
Agreed. Definitely an insecure bitch with a lame attempt to "brag" about her Baruch classes.
Febreeze, do your thang.
LOL.
baruch is the poor mans harvard extension bro
Dammit. You got me there Boothorbust. You win.
If you honestly believe he's wrong, and he's screwing you over, go argue with him. Whine and bitch, be a pest and they'll likely change it...usually, they'll waste a lot of your time but it's worth it: just go talk to them. If it's going to severely dent your plans, contact the department head but good luck in his next class.
Good luck.
or hes saying youll make more money/will be liked by more people if you rate the majority/all of your stock recommendations as buy
I hope you feel better after writing this, Flake :)
Why are you nice to me? Now I'm bored, thanks a lot.
Man, the number of times I went to my department to bitch about a professor.
If I were you, I'd go and talk to the head of your department, if that don't work = ombudsman
You cain't let that fucker play with your life (that A+ VS B+ could make the difference in your GPA during your job search).
Hire Thurnis Haley to hack into the system and change your grade. He's looking for work.
OP you sound like me in my physics class.
U mad?
Don't be jelly he's from an elite institution and you're from a community college.
I don't think the professor means that you are brilliant. In all likelihood, he considers you to be too cocky/full of yourself. I can't say if he has a point, but it is something to keep in mind. All depends on the content and tone of your paper and e-mail. While adding your own risk tolerance to the mix is a nice touch, I can imagine that the prof isn't running with it cause it allows you to defend a potentially sub-par investment recommendation based on a notion that is neither relevant for his class nor objectively verifiable in this context.
As the he gave you an A in another course, I don't believe that he is actually being deliberately unfair towards you. Granted, his explanation for the grade seems insufficient. Be careful how you proceed though, you don't want to rub him the wrong way and suffer the consequences next semester...
All this does is just show that an A at Baruch is a B at NYU
[quote=Disincentivy]For his final at NYU, we had to observe and analyze a certain stock in the energy sector and give our recommendations: Invest or don't invest. On the exec summary I recommended not to invest based on my observations AND my risk tolerance. /quote]
Can you give me some detail about this problem...I would love to see how people think on it Thanks
Is this on the front page because the OP is supposedly a girl?
This is the problem with a soft science at a private school. The professors can be tyrannical and there's nothing you can do aside from getting a paper published based on the same answer you gave on the exam.
In the STEM majors, things are usually right or they aren't, and you can hold profs to account.
At public schools, profs have to be more careful about politics and there tends to be a little more oversight.
But yes, this just sounds like it could just be a case of "An A at Baruch is a B+ at NYU."
Call the professor out... what's his name?
No. Don't. This isn't worth killing over and he has too much power over you. If this were the 2nd course, things would be different..
Take the second course. Smile. Document everything. If he does this to you again second semester, get it on tape, line up a few friends with journalism gigs who can help you embarass the department if nothing happens, and stroll into the department director's office about getting both grades fixed. Just be nice; if NYU just plays fair with you, you're happy.
Don't get mad, get even.
Well, I guess it depends if the professor is pro-life or pro-choice.
If he's pro-choice, then OP can run him over.
Yea on second thought don't as if he ever sees this then he'll know who you are.
If anything PM me because I know people from both schools.
This situation would of never happened at Swag University where hatersim is forbidden.
Swagon is an alumni from SU. Maybe you could ask for a transfer. Ask Swagon, he'll give you more information.
OP, why are you getting certificates from baruch and nyu. Seems like a waste of money unless your employer is paying for it.
brady you back?
yeah, is he back?
Yea, plus the OPs profile indicates a GMAT score of 760.
That said, if I had the time I would consider taking certificate classes for my own benefit. I'd like to learn about programming, say just the basics, especially relevant code for finance. I could do it for a year and not worry about actually putting the effort into getting a degree.
Hes prob just getting credits transferred for cheap...
He just couldn't stay away . . .
hmmmmm...maybe he just didn't like you. Simple as that....Guess what sometimes that happens...life isn't fair
What you should do? Nothing.
It's a grade. In 20 years you won't give a shit about this or you'll laugh.
Boo
Fucking
Hoo
Wow, what a jerk. Not fair at all.
If it is going to affect your over all grade... aka going from a A to an A- then I would appeal the mark. Send a msg to the head of the department.
Is it possible that you got a B+ for simply not following directions? You were asked to essentially provide a buy / sell recommendation, and instead you felt the need to incorporate your own risk preference into the decision. Would seem quite strange if research analysts did the same.
And if we really want to get academic about this, your answer was wrong. Your risk preference should play no role in determining whether to invest in an individual security or in a portfolio of securities. The security is either undervalued, or it isn't. Your risk preference should only play a role in how you finance the investment (i.e., the underlying capital structure of the investment).
For example:
If the security is undervalued but you are very risk averse, then you still buy the security. However, you might only put 1% of your capital into the investment and the remaining 99% into treasury bills. Conversely, if you like the stock and have an aggressive risk preference, you might put 400% of your capital into the investment and short (borrow) 300% of your capital in the form of treasury bills.
You concluded that the security was not an attractive investment, and further referenced a risk aversion. In theory, you could short 1% of the security while putting the remaining 101% in treasury bills.
Disagree
Don't go over prof's head or assume the grade was inaccurate. Think how annoying it would be to defend your assessment - don't get on your prof's bad side by making him do that.
If your prof thinks you are cocky, show humility and get him to like you by acting as if the grade were valid, and a sign that you need to get better
Mid-semester you could approach him with that mentality : "Prof, I really enjoy this work/your class and I'd like improve the weaknesses you saw in my last paper" etc. He may be the type to get annoyed if he thinks you are too into grades, so emphasize that you want to get better at the work itself.
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you sound like a freakin nerd dude
Yeah...'creating a monster' doesn't sound like the type of person I'd want to hire...guessing you are not the most humble guy and you treat your friends well to their faces to get help on things but then fuck their girlfriend's behind their back and manage to still feel sorry for yourself.
Based on this short sample I think you've completely missed the point. I would guess your professor is genuinely trying to help you, and cares about your success, and went out of his way to make a point to you, but you're too boar-headed to see it, which makes it all the sadder.
And while this all sounds mean, I'm trying to help you too. My honest advice would be to swallow your pride, tell your professor that what he said has really made an impact (even if it hasn't) and that you'd like to understand it better and hear more, maybe go out for coffee w him. You might just learn something about yourself. Remember at the end of the day business is about doing well with people.
Nothing pisses me off more than getting an 89.5 in a class, then ending up with a fucking B+.
I exchanged a few emails with my professor and we got to meet for a quick coffee when he explained to me that I shouldn't overwork everything to death and I should work on following directions and working withing the brackets of whoever is giving me the orders. This I can understand and I told him that although it is hard for me to not over analyze or over work or whatever it is, I am constantly working on it and hoping he would see the a change in the next semester. We had a laugh, I got my A, and I now have a constructive piece of advice that I can actually use instead of some monster stuff.
frgna: I can go ahead and assume you are the type of guy to make assumptions based on a post on the internet, and build a character on it without collecting facts through simple steps like checking my profile and seeing that I am actually a dudette not a dude. But I wont, because I won't make a decision if I should accept a job you might offer me based on a single post on the internet. Thank you for the advice, though. I mean it. I sometimes have to swallow my not so huge pride as you imagine it to be.
Faddy: I am a freaking nerd, dude!
Everyone: Thank you for all the sound advice and suggestions.
I hope he was gentle
I don't.
Why? Did you have a bad experience with swallowing? Are you traumatized?
A received a similar piece of feeback from a prof...got a B+ and was told that I would have gotten an A from any other prof. When asked why...I was told..."you just can't teach some people." Translation - if you want an A write what I tell you to write not what you believe/what your arguments lead you to conclude. I never received a refutation of any of my arguments; just an acknowledgement of the fact that I chose to make my own arguments.
Your prof seems to be full of hubris and at the same time threatened by you. Forget him/her and move on.
Glad that it worked out for you :) You did happen to catch me on a bad day and I apologize for what I wrote, it was unmerited and I'm sorry and I kind of feel like a giant dick - I took the approach of 'let's make this really nasty just in the case that there's a serious need for a wake up call' but I don't think that really applied here. I do deal with a lot of people from past work and at school who would fit that bill so I wanted to throw a tester out there and see what stuck. Far too easy on these forum things to stand behind a veil and throw shit around...
So I'll take my lesson too :)
But I must just ask one last thing...because, well, you seem really smart and intense and hard working...are you a dudette of let's say Far Eastern descent? I mean this in the most complimentary way.
The grade was appropriate because you conflated two issues: security selection and portfolio construction.
When you analyzed the stock, you chose a discount rate to reflect its systematic riskiness. A "buy" recommendation means the stock offers superior compensation for its risk and should be included/overweighted in your optimal equity portfolio. Given your personal risk tolerance, you may choose to invest 10% in stocks and 90% in Treasuries or 100% in stocks. Or even a 0% net position that includes short sales. Regardless, if this stock is a good value, it should be included in the portfolio.
You cannot analyze stocks in a vacuum. The CAPM inherently recognizes this by solely measuring systematic risk. By saying this stock is "too risky" for you, you ignored important aspects of portfolio theory and essentially contradicted yourself.
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