Best way to move to NYC, LDN from Tokyo

Hi, started a few months ago as an agency/execution sales trader at a big BB in Tokyo (think GS, MS, JPM type).

My main goal is moving to a global financial center (ideally NYC) from Tokyo, and I want to know the best path to get there.

I am strongly considering an internal lateral transfer, but I am also open to going to a top MBA and re-recruiting for NYC associate roles. For context, I am not a US citizen, so visa sponsorship is a factor.

I’d love insight specifically on:

  • Internal transfer feasibility: How realistic is an internal lateral from Tokyo to NYC in agency execution / electronic sales trading? How common are permanent transfers vs. short-term rotational stints, and what does the timeline usually look like?
  • The MBA route: Given that structured post-MBA associate recruiting is largely focused on the primary side (IB/Cap Markets) and far rarer for S&T, does an MBA make sense if my goal is staying in markets/sales trading in the US, especially as an international candidate needing visa sponsorship?
  • Alternative paths: Are there other angles (e.g., cross-border desk coverage, lateraling externally to another shop in NYC, or targeting London first) that work better?

Thanks

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To move from Tokyo to NYC or London in your role as an agency/execution sales trader, here’s what you need to know based on the most helpful WSO content:

1. Internal Transfer Feasibility

  • Realistic Path: Internal lateral transfers are one of the most viable options, especially within a BB like GS, MS, or JPM. These firms often have established processes for moving talent between global offices, particularly for high performers. However, the feasibility depends on your performance, relationships with senior management, and the firm's current needs in NYC or London.
  • Permanent vs. Rotational Transfers: Permanent transfers are less common than short-term rotational stints, especially for non-citizens requiring visa sponsorship. Rotational programs can serve as a stepping stone to a permanent role, but you’ll need to prove your value during the rotation.
  • Timeline: Transfers typically take 1-2 years to materialize, depending on internal opportunities and your ability to network within the firm. Start building relationships with decision-makers in the NYC or London offices now.

2. The MBA Route

  • Pros: An MBA from a top program (M7 or T15) can open doors to structured recruiting for associate roles in NYC. However, as you noted, post-MBA recruiting is more focused on IB/Cap Markets than S&T. If you’re open to pivoting to IB or capital markets, this could be a strong option.
  • Cons: For staying in markets/sales trading, the MBA route is less direct and may not justify the cost and time investment, especially as an international candidate needing visa sponsorship. Visa sponsorship for S&T roles post-MBA can also be challenging, as these roles are less structured and more niche compared to IB.

3. Alternative Paths

  • Cross-Border Desk Coverage: Explore opportunities to cover US or European clients from Tokyo. This can position you as a natural candidate for a transfer to NYC or London, as you’ll already have relevant client relationships and market knowledge.
  • Lateraling Externally: Moving to another BB or a buy-side firm in NYC or London is another option, but it’s more challenging without prior experience in those markets. Networking and leveraging headhunters with cross-border expertise can help.
  • Targeting London First: London may be a more accessible stepping stone due to its proximity to Tokyo time zones and slightly more flexible visa policies compared to the US. Once in London, transitioning to NYC could be easier.

4. Key Recommendations

  • Internal Networking: Build strong relationships with senior leaders and HR in the NYC and London offices. Express your interest in transferring and demonstrate your value to the firm.
  • Performance: Excel in your current role to make yourself indispensable. High performers are more likely to be considered for transfers.
  • Headhunters: Engage with headhunters who specialize in cross-border placements in S&T. They can provide insights and opportunities tailored to your goals.
  • Visa Considerations: Keep in mind that visa sponsorship is a significant hurdle. Firms are more likely to sponsor visas for internal transfers or post-MBA hires than for external lateral moves.

By focusing on internal transfers while keeping the MBA and alternative paths as backup options, you can maximize your chances of landing in NYC or London.

Sources: Transitioning from Tech Sales to IB, Consulting Exit Opps for Introverts, Why You Should Leave NYC After Your Analyst Stint, Non-target average student declined BB trading ops offer, now having some second thoughts, What is life like in an IB satellite office?

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Internal transfer with L1 visa is the only viable way in this regime. MBA is totally useless for S&T, and getting a job as international student is hard as fxxk. 

Funnily marrying US citizen would be the most plausible way to move to NYC lol. I heard LDN is more lenient on internal transfer though. I heard L1 is also getting harder and harder. 

 

All three of the BBs you mentioned tend to have pretty solid rotation pathways between offices, especially if you speak the local language.

You have a leg up in the UK if you speak a second European language, but plenty of folks did very well without ever speaking one.

Can't speak to the US pathway from personal experience, but, from what I hear, the current administration is certainly making it more challenging than it was in the past from a paperwork standpoint.

 

Have you asked HR whether the bank offers permanent transfers to NYC? An L-1 might be worth looking into, depending on your role and how long you've been with the company. I spoke with Davis & Associates during my own immigration process, and it helped me get a clearer picture of the requirements. Might be worth getting the visa side figured out before deciding whether an MBA is necessary.

 

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