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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here’s a breakdown of your questions and considerations:

1. Percentage of T&S Grads Landing Trading Seats Internally

  • The T&S graduate program at oil majors like Shell or BP does not guarantee a direct path to a trading seat. As you mentioned, rotations in risk, analytics, and operations are common, and transitioning to a trading seat often requires applying to competitive programs like the Trading Development Program (TDP).
  • While exact percentages are not publicly available, it’s widely acknowledged that only a small fraction of grads secure trading seats internally. The process is competitive, and many TDP slots are filled by experienced hires rather than internal grads.

2. External Exits to Trading Houses (Vitol, Trafigura, Mercuria, etc.)

  • Exiting to trading houses is possible but challenging if you don’t secure a trading seat internally. Trading houses typically value direct trading experience, so grads without trading exposure may find themselves funneled into risk or operations roles rather than junior trading seats.
  • However, having a background at a top oil major is still highly regarded, and networking or leveraging niche expertise (e.g., physical commodities knowledge) can improve your chances.

3. Do Trading Houses Hire Ex-Majors (Non-Traders) into Junior Trading Seats?

  • Trading houses are more likely to hire ex-majors into risk, operations, or analytics roles rather than directly into trading seats. Transitioning to a trading role from these positions is possible but not guaranteed and often depends on internal mobility and performance.

4. Bank S&T vs. Major T&S for Becoming a Trader

  • Bank S&T: If your goal is to become a trader, starting in a bank S&T role is generally more reliable. Banks offer structured paths to trading seats, and the probability of landing a trading role is higher compared to the T&S route at oil majors.
  • Major T&S: While T&S at an oil major provides exposure to physical commodities and real asset flows, the path to a trading seat is less direct and more competitive. Additionally, the timeline to reach a trading seat (e.g., completing the grad scheme + TDP) can be longer.

5. Transferability to Hedge Funds or Macro Funds

  • Major T&S Experience: Experience in physical commodities trading can be valuable for hedge funds or macro funds with a focus on energy or commodities. However, the skill set may be less transferable to funds focused on financial instruments or macro strategies.
  • Bank S&T Experience: Bank S&T experience, particularly in flow trading or derivatives, is often more transferable to hedge funds or macro funds. The exposure to financial markets and trading strategies aligns more closely with the skill sets sought by these funds.

Path A vs. Path B: Distribution of Outcomes

  • Path A (Major → TDP → Trader): This path has a lower probability of success due to the competitive nature of TDP selection and the limited number of trading seats. However, if successful, it can lead to a lucrative career in physical commodities trading.
  • Path B (Trader in S&T at Bank): This path offers a more structured and reliable route to a trading seat. While the nature of trading (e.g., flow trading) differs from physical commodities, the probability of landing a trading role is higher.

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1. Realistically, what percentage of grads end up in an actual trading seat internally?

- Really depends on the program.  For Shell GDP which is not designed to funnel into trader jobs directly and needs another 3 year TDP, likely very low (1/10 or lower I would guess) with a lot of that from people leaving on their own to do something else.


2. If someone completes the T&S grad scheme but doesn’t get onto TDP, how strong are external exits to trading houses (Vitol, Trafigura, Mercuria etc.)?

- Depends on the role. Very low (0-5%) chance at any direct trader placements.  Decent chance at exposure or risk if the role gave some experience at those.  

3. Do trading houses hire ex-majors (non traders) into junior trading seats or mostly into risk/ops roles?

-No there is no reason to.  Since they can just hire traders, and usually hiring is done thru networks.  The number of people active in a market in a region can be very small (think 5-20) and they all know the other traders in other companies so they know who they like and want to get. 

4. From an “average outcome” perspective - is starting in bank S&T more reliable if the goal is to become a trader?

-Vs Shell GDP yes.  But those can be very different jobs so it’s not apples to apples. 

5. How transferable is major T&S experience into hedge funds or macro funds vs bank S&T experience?

-It’s very transferable to hedge funds recently given the massive buildout of commodities pods across the industry.  With some decent analyst experience, very common and easy to move to a commodities pod as an analyst.  Comes with its own set of pros and cons and is not a guarantee to anything either.

 

Really appreciate the detailed response, this is very helpful thank you.

On the TDP point, who are those programmes typically aimed at in practice if not the graduates ?

I assumed the pathway to it would be GDP -> build a few extra years of experience -> TDP ?

 

Shell is very different BP in that it’s not in a rush to make anyone a trader and the process can take many years. The Shell TDP can be for anyone in the company technically and outside applicants also get in.  Engineers apply to it, schedulers who the traders already know, analysts go into it all the time.  So it’s not like they design the program to take people that roll off the GDP.  And it can be very much based on who you know and how strongly decision makers think of you based on prior experience.  If you really want to do it, just make a strong impression with the right people in a GDP. 

Bp TDP is much more clear cut, just a bunch of mostly new grads who get put through the wringer for 3 years and either get a job or don’t. 

 

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