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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here’s a breakdown of your questions and considerations:
1. Percentage of T&S Grads Landing Trading Seats Internally
2. External Exits to Trading Houses (Vitol, Trafigura, Mercuria, etc.)
3. Do Trading Houses Hire Ex-Majors (Non-Traders) into Junior Trading Seats?
4. Bank S&T vs. Major T&S for Becoming a Trader
5. Transferability to Hedge Funds or Macro Funds
Path A vs. Path B: Distribution of Outcomes
Key Takeaways
Sources: Is S&T still a good career path?, Sales in S&T: Dead-end career path in 2020?, WSO Hall of Fame: Trading Forum, Sales and Trading - A Comprehensive Guide
1. Realistically, what percentage of grads end up in an actual trading seat internally?
- Really depends on the program. For Shell GDP which is not designed to funnel into trader jobs directly and needs another 3 year TDP, likely very low (1/10 or lower I would guess) with a lot of that from people leaving on their own to do something else.
2. If someone completes the T&S grad scheme but doesn’t get onto TDP, how strong are external exits to trading houses (Vitol, Trafigura, Mercuria etc.)?
- Depends on the role. Very low (0-5%) chance at any direct trader placements. Decent chance at exposure or risk if the role gave some experience at those.
3. Do trading houses hire ex-majors (non traders) into junior trading seats or mostly into risk/ops roles?
-No there is no reason to. Since they can just hire traders, and usually hiring is done thru networks. The number of people active in a market in a region can be very small (think 5-20) and they all know the other traders in other companies so they know who they like and want to get.
4. From an “average outcome” perspective - is starting in bank S&T more reliable if the goal is to become a trader?
-Vs Shell GDP yes. But those can be very different jobs so it’s not apples to apples.
5. How transferable is major T&S experience into hedge funds or macro funds vs bank S&T experience?
-It’s very transferable to hedge funds recently given the massive buildout of commodities pods across the industry. With some decent analyst experience, very common and easy to move to a commodities pod as an analyst. Comes with its own set of pros and cons and is not a guarantee to anything either.
Really appreciate the detailed response, this is very helpful thank you.
On the TDP point, who are those programmes typically aimed at in practice if not the graduates ?
I assumed the pathway to it would be GDP -> build a few extra years of experience -> TDP ?
Shell is very different BP in that it’s not in a rush to make anyone a trader and the process can take many years. The Shell TDP can be for anyone in the company technically and outside applicants also get in. Engineers apply to it, schedulers who the traders already know, analysts go into it all the time. So it’s not like they design the program to take people that roll off the GDP. And it can be very much based on who you know and how strongly decision makers think of you based on prior experience. If you really want to do it, just make a strong impression with the right people in a GDP.
Bp TDP is much more clear cut, just a bunch of mostly new grads who get put through the wringer for 3 years and either get a job or don’t.
Interesting to hear, thanks for the colour on it.
Hey oil_quant, is it fine if I could dm u?
Sure
Congrats on BP!
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