Difficulty Check

Need a favor from the community. Was interviewing a guy today and asked him a few intermediate options questions. Since he failed to answer any of them, I wanted to check if people find these questions overly difficult.

(1) When would you early ex an American call? Is there any uncertainty and how does it manifest? Is there a situation when you would early-X an American put?

(2) Why is it dangerous to delta-hedge a far-OTM options position? Which would would be more dangerous, long or short?

(3) Could you imagine a situation where a call will have delta greater than a 100%?

It would be really awesome if you can PM me the answers. I promise to post the right one here tomorrow, but I really would like to figure out how many people answer these right and what level they felt these question are.

 
Best Response

Those are hard questions

  1. You will exercise an american call early to get the dividend, which must be higher than the interest rate earned on the strike price
  2. Short because of pin risk - gamma is greatest otm, if there is a large move around the strike heading into expiration it can be difficult to hedge
  3. I know there are some cases where digitals can have a delta greater than 1. If a digital call is deeply ITM it's delta is greater than 1; it's payout is fixed but the underlying shares held continue to gain value as the market rallies, so we need to sell more shares (higher hedge ratios) to be flat detla. Let me know if any is unclear
 
long_vega:
3. I know there are some cases where digitals can have a delta greater than 1. If a digital call is deeply ITM it's delta is greater than 1; it's payout is fixed but the underlying shares held continue to gain value as the market rallies, so we need to sell more shares (higher hedge ratios) to be flat detla. Let me know if any is unclear
Once you start dealing with exotics, you can have all sorts of wacky deltas, indeed. Digitals are obvious (a digital will have infinite delta at the strike), look-backs can have deltas over one etc. At the interview, I was asking specifically about vanilla options, though (should I have specified it in the OP). In theory, it should never happen, but in real life it happens all the time due to funding - e.g. an OTC option that's has different funding on the underlying hedge (libor) and premium discounting (OIS, usually) will start showing deltas greater than unity (because you have to hedge the funding shortfall) once they trade at intrinsic.
long_vega:
2. Short because of pin risk - gamma is greatest otm, if there is a large move around the strike heading into expiration it can be difficult to hedge
The answer I was looking for was "for an long option that's really far OTM, you can easily lose money on both the option and the hedge". For example, you long a put, so you buy some stock against it. Next thing you know, the stock sells off but does not reach your strike - so you lose money on the hedge and on the option. It's one of those experience-based things - most people in the know end up managing far wings at a lower vol or (like myself) mark these things down to zero and treat them as lottery tickets. The second question was a discussion point, more than anything else.
long_vega:
1. You will exercise an american call early to get the dividend, which must be higher than the interest rate earned on the strike price
Yup, you early-X an American call when the value of the dividend exceeds the value of the residual optionality. That's the "easy answer" and the dude managed that OK. There is another layer - there are funding reasons to early-ex (e.g. if the borrow rate is very high, you might want to collapse your hedge against the box). Funding could also be a reason to early-X your puts when your margin interest is different from the interest on cash.
I have a friend who lives in the country, and it's supposed to be an hour from 42nd Street. A lie! The only thing that's an hour from 42nd Street is 43rd Street!
 

Saw this too late to respond, but thanks for this, these were fun to think about. A few questions if you have time: 1. Got the put side, but was curious about the call side since in an ideal black scholes world where you could sell the option, the price would include the dividend and would generally be the better choice since you also don’t give up the extrinsic value (is it the case in practice that you often can’t find someone to take the other side in time to get the dividend?). 2. Got this one too, but I can see a possible confusion since there might be some path dependency to the positions (e.g. the argument clearly makes sense to me if the questions is whether you should go long an otm option and hedge it, but seems less valid relative to the short side if you imagine that you’re already long the option ). 3. Didn’t get this one at all, but if we assume sticky deltas and a steep enough skew then this seems possible (is there some no arbitrage argument for why this doesn’t make sense or is it just impractical).

Btw I’m a quant who used to price some slightly exotic commodity options so the put funding stuff was included in the first thing I read on American options, dividends were a non factor, and the not hedging long otm options came up in practice a couple of times.

 
financebro69:
1. Got the put side, but was curious about the call side since in an ideal black scholes world where you could sell the option, the price would include the dividend and would generally be the better choice since you also don’t give up the extrinsic value (is it the case in practice that you often can’t find someone to take the other side in time to get the dividend?).
Regarding the American call, it does not matter - you can either sell it to someone (who will X-in) or do it yourself. An American call option that is deep enough ITM and has a dividend tomorrow will have zero time value. Sometimes you get pinned on the day before ex-div, which gives your a fair bit of gamma.

PS. A bunch of people, mostly market makers, run a strategy where they go long and short American options prior to the ex-div date, hoping that the shorts will forego/foreget the early-X. If I recall correctly, a certain bank lost about 20 bucks on this exact strategy a few years back because they actually forgot to act on their side of the trade.

I have a friend who lives in the country, and it's supposed to be an hour from 42nd Street. A lie! The only thing that's an hour from 42nd Street is 43rd Street!
 

Yeah I thought about it some more and realized I was being an idiot on the call dividend stuff (that’s what I get for ignoring the q in my American option pricing models since I never had to deal with them).

On the hedging long otm options front I still think there’s an issue when expressed in expected value terms, but if I consider it in terms of sharpe ratios then it starts to make sense. Unhedged short vol strategies tend to have higher sharpe ratios most years, and in a scenario where you can adopt such a strategy without the tail risk I.e. by not being long very otm options, or simply limiting their downside volatility by not hedging them, then as long as the risk return ratios are what you care about the choice is obvious. Now maybe this could be interpreted as showing an issue with sharpe and similar ratios, but either way for traders who are judged and paid on them, anyone worth their salt would quickly realize that they’re better off not hedging or under hedging long otm options (thus this is maybe more a fit/experience question than a math question).

Still somewhat interested in your take on sticky deltas with regards to question 3, but I guess if we’re talking skew at all we’re already violating the constant vol assumptions of a vanilla bs world (and the answer you were looking for is clearly more salient when your goal is to filter for practical experience and not just their grasp of various models).

Ps: Interesting story, i can totally picture the risk and middle office guys who used to claim they were “integral to the desk” throwing smoke bombs and changing their resumes (assuming here that the traders involved were just fired immediately).

 
financebro69:
Still somewhat interested in your take on sticky deltas with regards to question 3, but I guess if we’re talking skew at all we’re already violating the constant vol assumptions of a vanilla bs world (and the answer you were looking for is clearly more salient when your goal is to filter for practical experience and not just their grasp of various models).
Intuitively, I'd recon that such steep skew would be arbable - i.e. a call spread should be worth more than the discounted difference between the strikes (which is, obviously, an arb).
financebro69:
Interesting story, i can totally picture the risk and middle office guys who used to claim they were “integral to the desk” throwing smoke bombs and changing their resumes (assuming here that the traders involved were just fired immediately).
Hard to tell what exactly he's about and I don't have the energy to do that. To be honest, if a middle office or a risk guy came to me and honestly said "I am more of an MO dude, but I think I know stuff", I'd be more forgiving. On the other hand, if a dude is feeding me crap about his experience from the get-go, how can I trust him with risk? Same goes for networking, IMO. If someone is misrepresenting his political views or whatever else just to make sure I "like" him, can I trust him to be honest if there is an "oops" moment?
I have a friend who lives in the country, and it's supposed to be an hour from 42nd Street. A lie! The only thing that's an hour from 42nd Street is 43rd Street!
 

Generally agree, but could still picture a situation where maybe the sticky skew stuff could come up (e.g. price moves a lot in favor of your long call so it’s now at a strike far enough out of the money that it’s illiquid enough for bid ask spreads destroy any actual potential for executing the arbitrage but your model’s deltas still take skew into account, though I guess in that case it might be more natural to say that your model is bad then that delta is greater than 1 ).

Didn’t mean to insinuate anything about your candidate, I have no idea what he’s about (could easily picture a dood with his level of knowledge being a junior trader who landed his seat cus he was in the right place at the right time or as somebody who used options more as leveraged flat price plays than vol arb stuff), was more just thinking about my own experiences (the last place I worked sucked so this sort of blame passing ended up happening a lot, though options were usually not really a part of it).

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