https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2…
They aren't sending their best. They are sending socialists, street shitters and some, I assume, are good people.
edit, speaking of street shitters:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/10/oracle-moving-ope…
Apparently Oracle is moving its annual convention from San Francisco to Las Vegas because the former is ''to expensive'' and has ''poor street conditions''.
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Way to own the libs. You really got em this time.
Don't you think it's bad that people vote for crazy stuff, which turns their country into shit ,then simply move to another place to vote for the same shit they moved away from? It's like libs are locusts.
Or perhaps they are infiltrating your own backyard without you knowing it!
I think California is an exceptionally expensive place to live because it has the best weather in the entire country and has the highest GDP. It's not weird thought that someone would move from the state with the highest GDP to the state with the second highest GDP but infinitely more affordable housing.
Don't know if it needs its own thread, but why not I suppose.
Couldn't you also say the same about every other group in American history?
Moreover, part of the reason California has a homeless problem is because neighboring (conservative) states have decided that if CA is going to attempt to treat it's at-risk populations with something resembling respect, they may as well ship out all their homeless and mentally ill residents there. It's always amusing to me that conservatives complain about this stuff, because the same pattern repeats over and over. Welfare states in the Midwest point the finger at economically dynamic regions like the Northeast or Pacific Coast and talk about what a hellhole they are. Of course, the reason there are so many homeless is because the very economic dynamism that powers those markets has driven up housing costs, or... you know, capitalism. Meanwhile, your average welfare queen in Nebraska wails and wails while keeping both hands cupped for the gushing stream of federal subsidy dollars that are showered on the flyover states despite the complete lack of relevance these people have to the national welfare or well-being. The day Mississippi drags itself out of the late 19th century is the day they'll have a massive homeless population as well.
You've got some good advice on this forum and I appreciate that but fuck I can tell you are insufferable irl
If your brain worked for a literal second, just one second in your stupid mouth-breathing existence, you’d probably realize a lot of those leavers are people who are leaving because they disagree with California’s politics, not to spread it. Also, you’d consider how many people leave your conservative shitholes to move to California for the politics and policies in place there.
US Domestic Net Migration
Inwards: Florida, Arizona, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina
Outwards: New York, Illinois, California, New Jersey, Louisiana
The overlapping between blue and run away is strong.
Hey pea-brain please explain how this invalidates my point?
Also worth noting - those are all just LARGE states so yeah the number of people leaving will trend higher! God forbid we use our brains though huh
Further point - you just gave me a list of high and low state income tax states, so thank you for pointing out that conservatives are spineless dweebs who’ll literally move their children to save $500
It's funny you use the word "shithole" considering the streets of LA and SF have more poo on them than the streets of India.
Take a second to think of the disgusting smog you breathe in everyday. It's a mix of expensed diesel gasoline and formaldehyde from the feces all over the sidewalks. Ironic how red states have cleaner air than your paradise. Hope your $1300 a month pod share has up to date air filters
I don’t even live in California lol I just think every deep red state is a cesspool of shitty public policy leading to shitty behavior across the entire population. I’d rather breathe smog than have my neighbors walk around with guns freely.
I can't speak to SF but have lived in LA area for over two decades. This is just a false assertion, despite what Fox News tells you. Everyone in LA knows to stay away from skid row, where that might be true. One street in a major metro area is not indicative of the entire metro area.
HEY! I think I've heard something like that before!
I am one of the CA to TX people in 2018, and I do see a lot of CA license plates here. It's all about the cost. In the suburbs of Dallas, while certainly much less exciting than LA or SF, I can rent a 3-4 bedroom, ~5 year old house or town home with ~3K sq ft for less than $2,500/mo, or buy it outright for $400K or less. In the desirable cities in Southern California, it'd likely be ~4x that.
Outside of rent costs, someone making $100K would also save ~$7K in state taxes. At $200K, it'd be ~$16K.
As far as I know there are no stats on it, but would be interested to see any info on whether those moving are relatively conservative or liberal. My guess is the average would be conservative by CA standards, but liberal by TX standards. This isn't based on anything, but I'd guess they'd be more likely to vote Democrat, but perhaps more Biden type supporters than Bernie. Either way, TX is getting more liberal. I don't think it'll go blue any time soon, but if it does, it'd probably be more due to a rising Hispanic population than movement from the coasts. I haven't heard or seen of anything that would approach the levels of stupidity in Seattle right now (saw this morning that WA is phasing in a rule that salaried workers making up to $83K/yr will be entitled to 1.5x overtime), and hopefully it stays that way.
For a finance website it is surprising how it takes comments much later to bring up finances being a motivating factor for anything, not always red vs blue
I'm commenting on my phone but I read the stats recently that California transplants to Texas are Republican-voting. It is the Texas youth that is making Texas more purplish.
it's not a liberal/conservative thing, it's a local government and cost of living thing
wow, logic strikes again! agreed, most people (besides a vocal minority on both sides) don't care much about politics...but they do care about $
One could argue local/state politics in California are driving up the cost of living, to sympathize with neink (I can't believe I just did that).
You should've kept the full post
Yes.
@thebrofessor I wanted to give you a reply after work, now I'm home and your post is gone. Neat.
sorry BobTheBaker neink I think I made some math errors and misremembered some stuff. I post a lot of bullshit on WSO, but it's intentional, don't want accidental BS out there.
now that I've got some time to check figures. here's an abbreviated story. I have a client who worked in the valley for a large tech company and moved back to the south to be close to family. moved from los gatos to a wealthy suburb in a tier 2 city (not SF, LA, DC, NYC, Miami), had a mortgage balance but was able to only use his 50% home equity to buy a house so didn't come out of pocket, and tripled his square footage without any downgrade in quality of public education. so decrease in property tax by 50% (not because of lower rates, because of lower property values), saved ~$10k/yr. his income was still high, but state taxes weren't 13%, maybe 6 or 7, so savings of 60-70k a year (on income of $1mm). little nickel & dime things were far cheaper than in SV, gas was half price, meals out were 30-40% cheaper, and so on and so on. he told me his income didn't change but he felt like he had 40-50% more purchasing power with his money. he's trained in finance so I didn't question his figures, and he's a liberal, so I know he didn't move for political reasons (he abhors trump and has always voted dem as far as I know).
basically the point is I've worked with people who've migrated both ways, and coming back to the south is a financial windfall for the following reasons - real estate values, service industry costs, utilities (Florida never has droughts), taxes, and quality of life. my experience has been financially california is a downgrade, even if the weather and natural beauty is an upgrade. so yeah, you will never find better weather than california (SoCal imo), but if weather isn't everything for you and you have a family, you really have to weigh the benefits of never going below 50 degrees to spending 30-50% more on everything.
I've not seen the californians you're referencing showing up in my backyard. I've seen engineers, healthcare folks, and executives who are tired of paying $15k a year for a 2000 square foot house in property taxes when their local government is using those funds to pay for homeless people's healthcare and tacking on 4% service charges to your bar tab just because the city decided it's a good idea to mandate health coverage for bartenders. there's some things that are lib/cons issues, and there are some issues that are too much to bear. I've got conservative clients in SV that hate all of the changes, but when I ask them if they'd ever move, they say no, they just deal with it because they love california. for those that move back here, do you think they like hurricanes and occasional ice storms? nah, but they remember what their mortgage payment was and never want to go back.
different strokes gents
I love SoCal, but my days here are numbered. Its not a red v blue thing either. The logic behind what each tax I pay goes to is mind-numbingly illogical. The infrastructure is a mess. The education k-12 is either terrible or insanely expensive. The gun laws are asinine. If rent control passes, the real estate market is only another step towards unreasonable for a 1st time entrant. Most of the religious institutions are not virtuous. The local political climates in my area are corrupt (want to make a home improvement? wine and dine the mayor's brother who is the inspector. Oh you want to open a small business, get ready to fork over $30k in licenses and fees that only apply at the city level which you will have to pay again if you ever want to open another location).
Like others have said, California is great if you want to make insane money. If you are only making anything between 70-175k, you are crazy unless you literally could not do your job elsewhere. Since I travel 80% of the time, I will leave and only stay out here on weekends
best part of this thread is that it's on WSO and OP doesn't work in finance and doesn't live in the US and has never been to CA
Nah. The best part is that we had a discussion with you like 2 years ago (or more, who the fuck remembers) and you are still so butthurt about it, that you stalk me through threads and make slendering claims.
Because that's how liberals are.
LOL
I'm curious, would you say italy is a mostly liberal or conservative place? I hear all about socialist and populist trends in western europe, but I've only vacationed there, never worked, what's it really like
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