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Jul 18, 2016

what's your thought about networking from Hanover - What are some of your networking strategies?

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Jul 18, 2016
whattherock:

what's your thought about networking from Hanover - What are some of your networking strategies?

As I was looking at schools, I thought about this too. A big piece of what resulted in my feeling more comfortable, as well as applying only to Tuck, was the fact that the students at Tuck (and grads) acted as though they had a genuine interest in helping me out. I actually was thinking, "all of these Tuck people are absurdly nice, what's the deal?" In other words, that added an additional level of comfort in any grads returning my call, when I am networking. Regarding future interactions with people from other schools, I noticed that everyone that I spoke to from other schools had great things to say about Tuck and students from Tuck.

Also, I have heard good things about the career coaches, and them being very aware of any career goals that you communicate to them. Also, I could have more of a unique view, because my internship, at the beginning of my career, was the result of many phone calls.

I am aware that many of the above atteibutes exist in other programs as well, they just felt most comfortable, for me, at Tuck. Hope that helps.

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Jul 18, 2016

That's awesome , thanks! How have you networked for recruitment in the past?

Jul 21, 2016

How was your undergrad GPA and how big of a factor do you think it was the admissions process at Tuck. Thanks a lot for doing this btw.

Jul 18, 2016
BleedingBlue:

How was your undergrad GPA and how big of a factor do you think it was the admissions process at Tuck. Thanks a lot for doing this btw.

Sure thing. Going through the process, I spent so much time reading forums to see experiences that people provided about applying to bschool, so I'm more than happy to provide the same.

I first went to a state college, and my undergrad GPA was terrible freshman and sophomore year. After Sophomore year, I transferred to a new school, also a state school, that few people have heard of, if they have not lived in that state. I think I had a 3.7 average Junior and Senior year, and also worked about 20 hours a week. I used my optional essay to discuss the GPA.

It is interesting that you asked this question because I only wanted to do a full-time program if it was top 15, but thought it would never happen because of the horrible undergrad gpa. It was in the back of my head, in a bad way, while I studied for the GMAT and went through the application process. Looking back, my advice would be to never not put everything into an application because you think you are completely lacking in one or two areas of your background.

If there is something specific about your undergrad that is worrying you feel free to elaborate.

Hope that helped.

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Jul 22, 2016

What do you mean by 'GMAT: 690, 700, 760'?

Did you take the GMAT three times and these are your three scores?

Jul 22, 2016

Pre-MBA experience?

Jul 18, 2016
larry david:

Pre-MBA experience?

First insurance, then pensions.

Jul 18, 2016

"Did you take the GMAT three times and these are your three scores?"

Yes. After being wait-listed, I took it a 3rd time and got the 760, then was accepted from the waitlist.

Jul 26, 2016

@LOB

You are a rock star man. Nothing beats perseverance!

I got in with a 740. I was extremely devastated when that silly 740 popped up on the screen. How can an International Champion like myself score a 740? Bad luck I suppose.

I wanted an 800. You inspire me to probably go back and take it again just so I can say I scored an 800, and become certified as a real International Champion in all areas, both GMATically and B-school BALLERingly!

How do I spot you in Hanover? Can't wait man for the next two years!

Tuckies are demigods on the Dartmouth campus and it extends deep into the Greater Boston Area. We are too connected and too smart to fail man. ;)

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T'18.

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Jul 24, 2016

When you get to campus try a little more humility; that will go a long way.

Jul 26, 2016

Another observation:

Pound for pound, the Tuck network is better, tighter and way more supportive than those of HBS and the GSB combined. My buddy heading to HBS this fall can't even find a summer internship hahaha. He is a career switcher. He now wishes he applied to Tuck.

I only applied to three schools, Wharton-Lauder and Tuck, inclusive. I got into both easily as soon as the adcom read my application and finally met me. I wanted a tight-knit community. Tuck has delivered on every metric. I need a wedding ceremony for Tuck because I'm getting married to this school. Getting my first Tattoo on my chest (= heart): Tuckie for life!!!

To each his own.

IMO, Tuck is the most underrated b-school in the universe. This school is a beast. I have a friend I met during the Tuck ASW who also scored a VC internship in London with no background in the field.

Tuckies are also obviously demigods worldwide. People will soon know what time it is with Dartmouth and Tuck. Our connections and love for our network is out of this world.

I received an offer to join one of the best PE shops on the planet as a summer intern next year through my Dartmouth-Tuck connections. The Dartmouth-Tuck connections is so sick of super amazing LOYALTY!

CAN'T WAIT TO PAY IT FORWARD.

If the Dartmouth connections are not supernatural and unreal, and if Tuckies are not demigods in corporate America, then tell me, what are we? Are we Aliens? You guys don't know the real deal yet.

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Jul 23, 2016

This is cracking me up

Jul 18, 2016
dutchduke:

This is cracking me up

Lol. I'm finding that I keep checking in on my own post just to see the things said. Although, now I have the term "demigod" stuck in my head.

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Jul 24, 2016

I am attending Tuck this fall. I am also reasonably confident InternationalChampion is lying about at least one particular thing that he's claimed in a recent post. Either he doesn't like Tuck and is trolling to make Tuckies look bad (like the fake Yale SOM guy on the P+Q message boards) or he is going to Tuck and just has zero self-awareness or social skills.

If it's the first option, A++ hilarious trolling. If it's the second, I think a few of us will be interested to meet the 25 year old Canadian from the oil and gas industry next month. If he's not too busy "banging 10s".

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Jul 26, 2016

@throwaway101

I'm not trolling. I was trying to help @LOB 's thread become even more comprehensive. I am also attending Tuck this fall. So, I figured one AMA thread should be better than two. But I really do not understand why people are dumping a never ending bucket of monkey shit at me. I'm only trying to help future readers here.

Anyways, my work experience was five years at Big Oil as an engineer for two years, and as a project manager for three years managing one of Canada's largest energy infrastructure projects ($4BB+ in TIC). I was the youngest project manager at my firm and the youngest ever to lead such a large scale mega project. Promoted multiple times per year for five consecutive years, an extremely rare occurrence in the big oil and gas companies like CVX, XOM, etc.. In 5 years, I achieved what most normal staff achieve in 10+ years.

All in all, I'm one of the best, if not the best, project manager my company has ever had. I was on my company's fast track to the C-suite, but I want more in life and I want it faster. You'll be hard pressed to find an engineer/project manager as accomplished as I am in the oil and gas sector. Hence, I decided to go for a top MBA, in order to become an investor.

I'll graduate from Tuck as an Edward Tuck Scholar if not at the top of my class. That's a given! And I'll be known as the Tuckie who makes all ladies, both perfect 10s and incredibly smart ones, flock to his entourage like the Salmon of Capistrano. I'm not like you pre-MBA finance folks. I'm from Big Oil man. I lived and worked on six continents in the last five years from Saudi to off shore rigs in Angola. The US business schools haven't seen anything yet.

Really love Tuck man. Can't wait!

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Jul 24, 2016

So this is what it'd be like if Trump was a Tuckie huh?

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Jul 26, 2016

DUDE! Just what I was thinking haha

Jul 23, 2016

IC could you opine on b-schools outside of HSWT. I want to hear your thoughts on the rest of top -20.

Are you still thinking about HFs or just PE ?

Jul 26, 2016

@dutchduke

Thank you for your question.

Unfortunately, I am not very familiar with schools in the top 20 outside of HSWT. I only applied to X number of schools, where X<=3; equality applies here only when you consider some very intrinsic variables.

Only schools I looked at were HSWT. Visited S and decided not to apply - not my kind of scene. The rest to me are all the same especially in the top 15 outside HSWT. Why would someone apply to a school outside top 15? In fact, even top 10 - 15 schools is really stretching it.

Anyways, to each his own!

Only downside to Tuck is the location, but that's one of the reasons I really like it there. I'll get to know my classmates better. I really can't wait to meet all my amazing Tuckie classmates. I'll love you all from the bottom of my heart. I'm sure that my classmates will also be extremely excited to meet and know me as already mentioned above by @kellog.

Did you go to a top 20 school? Can you share some of your experiences and how your peers have fared since?

For me though, Tuck is the best business school in the world, especially if you consider the size. Tuckies punch above their weight everywhere, a weight given to them by silly publication rankings. It'll soon change!

Every Tuckie I know is more baller than their corresponding classmates at HBS at the time. How did HBS garner this rep as the world's best business school? Most HBS alums I know are leading meh (= average) lives, honestly.

To your other question, yes, I'm still thinking HF, but I haven't had any luck in that area. I got lucky with PE, and decided to run with it. Still looking though for any HF opportunities.

Really love Tuck man. Can't wait!

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Jul 18, 2016

Internationalchampion: "I only applied to X number of schools, where X<=3"

This is the best way I have ever heard someone say "2."

Jul 24, 2016

@Internationalchampion I love your authenticity. So passionate in a way I as an American cannot comprehend. Please f*** my bitch and DM me so we can network. I need more of you in my life.

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Jul 25, 2016

oil rig life can make you go mad.

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Jul 24, 2016

Someone should send this thread to the Dartmouth adcom.

Jul 26, 2016

@da-bearss

Why don't you do it yourself?

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Jul 26, 2016

Are you speaking from experience? When did you return from the psychiatric ward?

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Jul 25, 2016

Congratulations. I applied to Tuck as well, but decided to attend another school that isn't in quite as remote a location. All of the Tuckies who I met during the process were nothing less than exceptionally warm, and I'm sure you'll have a great time.

Jul 18, 2016
Angus Macgyver:

Congratulations. I applied to Tuck as well, but decided to attend another school that isn't in quite as remote a location. All of the Tuckies who I met during the process were nothing less than exceptionally warm, and I'm sure you'll have a great time.

Thanks man! Congrats on your acceptance to the other scool as well; it'seems always nice to have choices.

Jul 25, 2016

Congrats. Two questions that tie together.

  1. How long did your application take, including all components (resume, letters, GMAT prep, essays, etc...) - please include months and if you're feeling super helpful, your estimate of total hours.
  2. What was most helpful in increasing your gmat score from 690 to 760, and how long would you estimate that took?

Your responses are much appreciated! Thanks, LOB.

Jul 18, 2016
itsanumbersgame:

Congrats. Two questions that tie together. How long did your application take, including all components (resume, letters, GMATprep, essays, etc...) - please include months and if you're feeling super helpful, your estimate of total hours. What was most helpful in increasing your gmat score from 690 to 760, and how long would you estimate that took? Your responses are much appreciated! Thanks, LOB.

Now, that's a beefy question. I am going to try to think through it while I type and maybe that will give you an idea of hours; I will say, in advance, that I put many many hours into it. I am by no means a great test taker, nor am I an amazing essay writer.

1)
-I first spent a couple of months looking at programs.
-Jan 2015: Started studying GMAT.
March 2015: Started emailing and setting up calls with students at possible schools, in order to network and get info/advice. That took up a good bit of time, because I always made sure I knew all about each school and had notes allover my kitchen table so that I didn't seem clueless on the calls. Resulted in multiple unsolicited recommendations from current students to admissions. Let's say, on calls and networking, I spent maybe 30-50 hours.
-April 2015: Took first GMAT and got the 690. Let's say on that first attempt, I spent maybe 150-200 hours. Note: I would study a lot after work and my mind had trouble focusing, so the hours weren't "hard" study.
-June 2015: Took GMAT again. Got the 700, but IR went up to an 8. I wasn't too happy.
July 2015: Decided to stick with my 700 and started the application. Essays and application, I spent around 300 hours. I did tons of re-edits. At one point I even started from scratch on one that was completed. My resume, I spent weekend tweaking and seeing if dfferent people I know could follow it, because it was not in common enough language.
-September 2015: I went to interview. I gathered a huge list of potential questions for the interview and made sure that I could answer any of them.
Oct 2015: Submitted app.
Dec 2015: Notified I was wait-listed.
Feb 2016: Asked for feedback, and was told my 700 GMAT was slightly below their average of 717. I knew I didn't want to go through all this again next year, so used mostly all of my free time, until May, to study. Time estimate is tough. I had thrown all of my GMAT stuff away and not seen any material for 6 months. I probaby spent more time than the first two attempts combined.
May 2016: Took GMAT and got 760 and max score on essay.
June 2016: A few days after official scores were released, got accepted from waitlist.

Let me know if that helps for your first question.

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Jul 25, 2016

Bookmarked. Very helpful, thanks man. I appreciate all the time you put into the response. I'll definitely use this in calculating the time I need to prep. Your timeline sounded like a nice steady pace, not too slow, not too fast. Funny how you got a better score after not studying, sounds like your essay made the difference.

Jul 25, 2016

How did you study for the GMAT on your third attempt?

Jul 18, 2016
so1id:

How did you study for the GMAT on your third attempt?

3rd attempt I studied more than either of the first two. As far as time, I studied for about 4 months and used most all of my free time on it (evenings, after work, most Friday nights, weekends).

Quant: I would say the GMAT Club website's study guide is what helped most on the attempt, along with questions people post on the site's forum. I made sure that I understood every bit of the study guide (it's a MUCH tougher study guide than OG and MGMAT, so it can be discouraging), then did the 2 larger sets of very difficult problems that are put together by the same guy who made the guide. (I think his name on the forumarket iso Bunuel). Those destroyed my confidence at the time, but others told be to expect that, so I proceeded. I then went on the forums and would do searches on the types of problems that were an issue for me and would only look at the most difficult ones; I did hundreds of those. I also just searched for random very difficult rated ones. For the last week, for quant, I reviewed notes and took two or three quant CAT's a day (ones made by GMAT company).

Verbal: For SC, the big thing that helped was going on the same site I mentioned above and looking at as many very hard questions as possible). I did hundreds of very hard rated questions on those forums. I was already pretty good at SC from the first two attempts though. I have way less to say for verbal, cuz my 3rd attempt was really focused on improving quant.

Jul 25, 2016

@Internationalchampion

You have spent a lot of effort trolling. Unfortunately, you have done a horrific job at producing anything remotely humorous. If you want to see how it should be done, read the thread in my signature. If not mine, read a few Brady4MVP classics. Hang your head in shame for contributing nothing of substance or even remotely funny.

0/10.

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Jul 26, 2016

@DickFuld

I was done with this thread until you came along. I think you deserve a hard kick in the balls at least for trying to fuck w/ an International Champion.

I'm not a troll FYI. Never was and never will.

People like me never cower in shame because we know who we are. We are International Champions!

You are unable to think at my thought frequency because it cycles at tera-hertz frequencies so high that you can't even see it - it's invisible and too fast for you to even dare to try to comprehend.

Relax, and follow my lead. I'm always the boss among bosses. I may have a change of thought at some point, and show you the keys to the thought process required for EXTREME success if you behave well. You should be glad that I'm even sparing you a few minutes of my time.

On a last note, if I'm a 0/10 in whatever you claim you are judging me on, then you are a -10/10 on my metric! Who has the time to read your stupid self-acclaimed classics!

I'm done with this thread.

Go Dick Fuck yourself @DickFuld !

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Jul 25, 2016

So boring that I couldn't even laugh at you. Yawn.

Try with a better effort under a new username, because you just killed this one.

Jul 25, 2016

I shit bigger than you kid.

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Jul 26, 2016

@DickFuld

Haha. I'm in a good mood now, and this made me laugh so loud that I almost choked. I give credit where credit is due.

That comment is a classic! So fucking nice. I like it. Maybe you shouldn't go dick fuck yourself if you behave like you've started to do.

On the flip side, good luck buddy. I'm still too classy to engage in a discussion w/ you.

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Jul 26, 2016

You seem to be a bit younger than the average mba student and thus I suspect you have less work experience (I think Tuck lists their average WE as 5 years). How did you overcome this? Did admissions/interviewers mention this? Did you address this in your essays?

Jul 26, 2016

@ExcelMasterFlex

I hope that you are flexing well.

@LOB has 3 years experience I think. But that's not much different from me. I have 5 years. I could have applied when I had only 3 three years experience and I would have been accepted at all the M7 + Tuck that I chose to apply to.

A friend got into HBS and Tuck after two years experience. He had a 770 GMAT though.

With less experience, the trick is to destroy the GMAT like @LOB did. The rest can be marketed to match your life experiences. Never lie though!

@LOB

I don't want to hijack your post. Please also comment.

@LOB has made an effort to advise me to try to act like I'm a loser on WSO so that I can fit in with my future employees!

I don't mind considering you @LOB for a partner position at my future firm, a firm that'll emanate in the universe five years after my mind-boggling experience at Tuck, the best business school on planet earth, pound for pound! You got emotional intelligence at least! The rest can be verified through a rigorous interview process.

If I'm the best on the six continents I've lived in, then where I choose to go to business should be the best in the world.

Really love Tuck!

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Jul 18, 2016
ExcelMasterFlex:

You seem to be a bit younger than the average mba student and thus I suspect you have less work experience (I think Tuck lists their average WE as 5 years). How did you overcome this? Did admissions/interviewers mention this? Did you address this in your essays?

I am not so sure the high GMAT cancelled out my being younger. I say that because, when I got feedback (when I had the 700 and was on the waitlist), they saw no issue with my work experience. The 5 years sounds correct, because the Tuck application actually went out of its way to say that it encourages applicants to have "at least" 5 years when they apply. I have indeed been out of college for three years. Here are the things I intentionally did to help:

1) I made it clear that I communicate I am 100% confident in what I plan to do after bschool. I think people get caught up not being "completely sure." Decide what you MOST want to do after school and communicate throughout the application your plan to do it. I would hesitate to mention multiple possible plans that you have. Plenty of people end up going into something different once they attend bschool. "1" is important because it leads into "2."

2) Make it clear, that you need to go to bschool NOW, that you have everything in "1" planned out and the next step is an mba, so there is no doubt that this is the year you need to go. Be direct and explain why. A good portion of one of my essays built up, with concrete reasoning, why this is the year I need to go. Be sincere. My best analogy is to paint a picture of your past/future professional journey, with your mba being the bridge to connect you to the next stage; you are at the cliff's edge RIGHT NOW!!! I trully believed that this is the right time for me to get my mba, so I just wanted the reader to also think, "wow, this guy needs his mba asap to achieve these plans.

3) Don't identify less work experience as a weakness. Just build up all that you have.

4) Build up work experience you had prior to graduating. I started as an intern in insurance product pricing (heavy math) the summer immediately before my freshman year of college. I did that job during summers all four years of college. I also did that job for 20 hours a weak during my Junior and senior year of college. So, I made sure to point out all the work I did before graduating.

Jul 26, 2016
LOB:

1) I made it clear that I communicate I am 100% confident in what I plan to do after bschool. I think people get caught up not being "completely sure." Decide what you MOST want to do after school and communicate throughout the application your plan to do it. I would hesitate to mention multiple possible plans that you have. Plenty of people end up going into something different once they attend bschool.

To be clear, you're saying NOT to mention multiple paths, but to be very clear in exactly what your immediate and long-term plans are, correct? This is advice I have heard for all ages/points in the career, so it makes sense that this would be even more important for a younger candidate.

Thanks for doing this AMA, and thanks for sticking with it even in the phase of scores of useless posts littering this thread.

Cheers.

Jul 26, 2016

@LOB

You deserve to be at Tuck.

I want to meet you honestly.

Only a month left bro, damn!

Really, can't wait. Flying in straight from Rio bro!

Greatest two years about to start. So nice!

International Champion,
Canadian Badass,
Dartmouth Aficionado,
Tuckie for life,
T'18.

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Jul 26, 2016

Why are you signing your posts as:

"International Champion,
Canadian Badass,
Dartmouth Aficionado,
Tuckie for Life.
T'18."

Similarly, why are you signing your posts at all? Whether you're a real person or a troll, what is the point of being a tool on the internet?

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Jul 26, 2016

@CRE

Because I'll be on holidays in a week's time waiting to move to the best business school in the world as a single guy, where the opportunity will be presented to interact and get along with some of the smartest business chicks in the world.

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Jul 26, 2016

On behalf of all Canadians, I am truly sorry.

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Jul 26, 2016

@Grass

Your comment is so typical of Canadians, and it disgusts me deeply. When can you all stop crying and singing sorry like Justin Beiber? Can't wait to become a Tuckie and an American. Sucks being Canadian when you want to rule the world.

I'm an International Champion man. Fuck that politeness. I never apologize or say thank you. People apologize to me and thank me always for my help. I don't need anyone's assurance nor help. I'm a boss among international bosses all the time. Keep that Canadian sorriness at your home. So disgusting man!

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Aug 3, 2016

Hello to everyone taking the brunt of Internationalchampion's nonsense over the last week!

I'm a T'17 (Tuck Class of 2017 MBA grad) and I wanted to confirm that he is not a Tuckie. I've verified the information with the Admissions Committee and there is no T'18 who matches the description shared by our dear friend.

I created a new account just to pitch in this information for anyone who comes across this post in the future.

A Real Tuckie

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Aug 4, 2016

Thread derail. I'm loving it.