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Jul 22, 2018

If those are your choices, I'd take Centerview. Not sure about lifestyle specifics but in terms of deals, exclusivity and exit ops, I think Centerview is damn near the best EB

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Jul 22, 2018

Depends on what you want exactly. Evercore has a good culture and probably the best exit opps (but they're all good so it's really more about you) so that would be my choice. PJT is very solid though as well. Centerview is a three-year commitment so it's a bit of a different dynamic, but they pay well and work on massive deals.

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Jul 22, 2018

Centerview has been on some absolutely INSANE deals, more consistently than any other BB/EB. So if you want to work on mega deals, then that's the place to be....but TBH you CANNOT go wrong with any of the 3. I think PJT has better runway for Distressed / Special Situations opps given that it spun off of BX, but Evercore has great alum and has been rapidly growing over the last 4 years.

However, I also think Centerview is the most target-heavy/strict from a recruiting standpoint. NOT to say that the others don't have a rigorous process (PJT in particular actually probably has THE hardest interviews), but anecdotally, Evercore/PJT seem more willing to give unconventionals/non-targets at least a chance.

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Jul 22, 2018
Juan from Runescape:

Centerview has been on some absolutely INSANE deals, more consistently than any other BB/EB. So if you want to work on mega deals, then that's the place to be....but TBH you CANNOT go wrong with any of the 3. I think PJT has better runway for Distressed / Special Situations opps given that it spun off of BX, but Evercore has great alum and has been rapidly growing over the last 4 years.

However, I also think Centerview is the most target-heavy/strict from a recruiting standpoint. NOT to say that the others don't have a rigorous process (PJT in particular actually probably has THE hardest interviews), but anecdotally, Evercore/PJT seem more willing to give unconventionals/non-targets at least a chance.

So much misinformation here. I don't even know where to begin

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Jul 22, 2018

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Jul 22, 2018

Everything you say sounds about right (i'm in one of the 3 firms) but you sound like some freshman in college regurgitating info with the "INSANE deals" part

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Jul 22, 2018

Fair.

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Jul 26, 2018

Stick to Runescape bud.

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Jul 22, 2018

People overrate the "insane deals", at least from the junior perspective.

Honestly to be a bank on a mega merger you spend years kissing ass, creating countless ideas decks until one day they finally hand you the deal.

But even once you are on the deal, you have to co-advise with 3/4 other banks (which is not fun), everything you do is under intense scrutiny (due to the public nature of the deal), you have countless seemingly never-ending interlopers (see the Comcast/Disney/Fox deal), and at the end of the day a public mega merger is not really all that relevant to doing PE buyouts (which is what most juniors want to end up at).

Honestly I'd pick Evercore on this list if you want to go PE. They do the most work with sponsors and you'll get as much exposure as you'll want to the mega mergers.

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Jul 22, 2018

Don't disagree at all. But a fair amount of people within IB are prestige-lovers, and as such, probably enjoy having a big-name deal on their resume.

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Jul 22, 2018

Evercore is the most selective and has the best exits. Also is known for a great culture. All 3 are good but would probably take EVR.

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Jul 22, 2018

From a selectivity/exits/work/prestige/culture/comp perspective, I'd say PJT and EVR are practically the same. EVR is a little bigger (in people and naturally, dealflow) but can't really go wrong with either.

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Jul 22, 2018

All 3 are great. Centerview is a bit smaller than the other two firms, and comp is great there. EVR and PJT have better exits, but CVP still can exit well. Can't go wrong

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Jul 25, 2018

Depends on which sector but in general, I'd rank it -

Evercore
Centerview
PJT

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Jul 25, 2018

I'd say holistically (pay/exits/culture) for NY Evercore = PJT > Centerview. Recruiting your first year at Centerview is apparently heavily frowned upon so a lot of analysts don't do it which sets you back exit-wise relative to EVR/PJT. Something to consider as well is EVR's analyst class size, which causes more internal competition for staffings/buyside looks while I'd say PJT is probably a bit smaller in size and thus less competitive. Ultimately you can't go wrong with any of those three firms/Lazard/Moelis

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Jul 25, 2018

Evercore. Centerview is great if you're a career banker, but PE recruiting is tough because they fuck you if they find ou and if you renege on the 3-year commitment they claw back your signing bonus (not the net post-tax amount, but the pre-tax gross). Also, the hours are fucking brutal. And I work at a bank known on here for some of the worst hours around. PJT is fine, but it doesn't have the scale or track record that Evercore does. It's great for RSSG, M&A is really still a Media & Comms shop and most of their big wins are in that space. Evercore will get you better PE looks consistently, better training (some of the PJT training is sketchy to say the least according to my boys who work there), and more consistent deal flow.

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Jul 26, 2018

Are you saying Evercore hours are better than the other two?

Jul 26, 2018

Yes. Centerview could be better but only for a very specific type of person who knows exactly what they want. Someone who wants the absolute leanest teams, with the worst hours, a culture where they expect you to stay and won't support you recruiting, but amazing responsibility on some of the most unique and different deals.

PJT is just not better, at least not for M&A. In terms of M&A, Evercore is probably the best independent, with Lazard, Moelis and Centerview close behind. PJT M&A is below those and again, is really only a Media & Comms shop at this point with a bunch of really great ex-MS guys in that group, but lacking the breadth of client coverage and global infrastructure that a shop like Evercore, or a Lazard, or Moelis, has.

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Jul 26, 2018

Can ayone working at either of these firms (or with good secondhand info) share some candid perspective about the culture at each?

Obviously networking is the best way to go about this, but it's been difficult getting authentic responses (especially as a non-target with little/no alumni presence at these places)

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Jul 26, 2018

From a purely exits standpoint I really don't think there is a significant difference. EVR/PJT/CVP are all well-known names among headhunters, and to reiterate this for the 1000th time on this forum, if you were good enough to land a SA offer at any of these places, headhunters will notice you and give you the proper looks. Good candidates are good candidates, regardless of what EB you're at. At the end of the day the buy-side offer is not going to be won because of some marginal difference in company prestige - it's all up to you.

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Jul 26, 2018

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Jul 26, 2018

Moelis is considered the worst in terms of hours but how much of a difference between say them and Lazard? It's still worth taking their offer if you don't have any other EB offers right?

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Aug 1, 2018

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Oct 3, 2018

Centerview definitely rocks you on the hours but the upside is that there is no face time and you are encouraged to go home as soon as your work wraps. Partners just expect you to show up with your game face on when necessary and it tends to be more often than most other shops because teams are lean and the deals tend to be major (average 2-3x the size of next shop). It's true that there isn't much sponsors work but there is enough to go around when you have about 70 analysts across the entire firm. You've got a 3 year program with about 50 (announced) deals per year plus about 15 more undisclosed (first hand knowledge). I believe you make nearly as much in your 2nd analyst year as an average associate at a bulge ($230-50k or so?) and even more as a third year so the thought about jumping to buyside shouldn't weigh much around compensation less a few elite shops that'd end up compensating you better. You just end up on that track a little sooner elsewhere if that's what you want. It's true that they do not support you recruiting out of your first year because it would imply you're breaking contract but they have lead partners meet with analysts to help review resumes ahead of recruiting in their second year (again first hand knowledge). You don't get demonized for wanting to go elsewhere in finance but the unspoken rule is you definitely shouldn't leave to go to lower mm fund in Timbuktu. The firm seems to value their network becoming more expansive in the highest echelon of finance but that's not the worst thing in the world. Pertaining to recruiting, it's very technical but there is a big emphasis on diversity and shift away from target-only recruiting that will likely start to yield results in the next few analyst classes. Historically, the firm has valued scrappy folks but the make up tends to lean heavy towards target schools for sure. Your exits between these banks won't vary too much but historically EVR and PJT tend to have more PEcentric exits. It's tough to measure because CV also has highest A to A retention by a mile (likely a lot due to comp) but also because the culture is very collaborative and you don't want to feel like you're an analyst / cog in a new place all over again (and not even get paid more for it). I'm yet to find out, but I think you have to end up prepping yourself for buyside interviews regardless of where you go and you'll have to sell yourself so we'll see how things shake out for each of the firms this recruiting season and maybe revisit this thread.

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Oct 3, 2018

What about Europe?

Ps: PJT M&A and RX are together

Nov 11, 2018

i worked at an elite boutique and i'd rank good group at evercore > centerview if you get on best deals > PJT > centerview if you get on not best deals > bad group at evercore. important to recognize that at evercore, you don't know what group you are in until like 6 months after your analyst stint. at centerview, almost everyone will be put an a mega-deal at some point so long as people generally like you, which will get you looks no matter where you go.

PJT doesn't do any deals, but they have a reputation that will last for at least a few more years from their association with blackstone. you won't get real work experience there, but you'll work with some great people. because you won't work on any deals anyway, it's the least variable of all the places to work - you get the extremely strong name brand regardless of what happens and the good recruiting opps no matter what.

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Nov 11, 2018

Who are the good groups at EVR?

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Dec 5, 2018

Wow, names from the past.

So, I was early at Blackstone (funds 1 and 2, $500mm), partner at Lazard and early founder at Evercore. The real PJT (Paul Taubman and I) worked together for many years too.

First, I'm super dated in my perspectives... but...

  1. Lazard was a tougher place in the 1990's mainly but we had some of the very very past partners and it was individualistic. It's become more mainstream now.
  2. Evercore is a haven for top productive partners leaving bigger firms for more freedom and compensation. For a long time places like GS thought it was their brand name that brought business in - and they were mostly correct - but if you were confident and cocky you knew better. When the research scandals and dead weight started hitting comp top bankers left to join the Evercore's. Greenhill was the first really but somehow never grew enough for the critical mass.
  3. Paul Taubman is one of the smartest and nicest guys; if his personality is the firm culture of PJT it would be a great place to work. The Blackstone advisory business before it being spun out was irrelevant to Wall Street.

My advice is to go to the firm with the people you respect the most and imhas great deal flow. It's a paid graduate degree. Don't get hung up on prestige (if I had I never would have joined Blackstone back then or helped found Evercore).

If you live the work and are learning, things will work out. I once quit a form (Morgan Stanley to join Blackstone) over a $10,000 bonus difference as a VP; it was a matter of principle. It was a stupid decision no matter how well it worked out. Look further out.

Finally, try to start specializing in industry's not products. Knowing more about your clients will allow you to play a more senior role. It will also man you have VPs and MDs that care about your career progress unlike the generalist pool.

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Dec 5, 2018

Also, remember you only have so many lateral moves before people worry about hiring you. Don't do one for just a small change in comp or situation.

Stay with we'll known established firms or ones populated with top performers.

Once you go downstream for slightly more comp or a quicker title, it's hard to go back to the more prestigious firms unless you have really proven yourself.

Everyone wants to take a 3rd year associate and make them a VP to join a no name place. The. Try to get back to the better known firms if that doesn't work out.

Ok the firms mentioned above would no doubt be great places to work at.

My last work of advice is if you join a firm do so in their core area of expertise not a second tier practice within that firm. If they are known for advisory do that. If their are known for restructuring join that. There are many different reasons for this but I'm tired of typing!

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Dec 5, 2018
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Dec 6, 2018