Massive lockdowns will be controversial policy among people, because they will ask whether economically it is worth or not and because most just don't want to sit at home unless the number of cases would be very high. I would guess that the US won't impose major lockdowns unless there is a mass infection but will act more cautiously than it did in the early time of COVID. Plus, vaccine rollout is already going quite well and there is "accumulated" experience.

 
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I read the article 12 hours or so ago, but something like 432 hospitalizations in Los Angeles in [I don't recall the time period] were 100% among the unvaccinated. I seriously don't understand those refusing to get vaccinated. There are risks with vaccines but the risk analysis seems pretty clear to me--the risks of Covid are greater than the risk of the vaccine. Fully vaccinated people are at almost no risk of serious complications or death from Covid. If you don't like the mRNA "experimental" vaccine then get J&J.

A significant portion of Republicans have acted like deranged conspiracy theorists and have refused to get vaccinated. On the other hand, a significant portion of Democrats have acted like deranged authoritarians with respect to schools, kids, masking, lockdowns, and vaccine mandates. I don't understand why we can't have a rational approach to Covid: urge people to get vaccinated; those who do have virtually no risk from Covid and those who don't assume the risk. Society then carries on.

At this juncture there should be absolutely no talks of vaccine mandates, mask mandates, or lockdowns. If you don't want to get vaccinated it's still a free country. If you don't, the rest of society should not be expected to lockdown, mask up, or in anyway change its behavior to accommodate you. Likewise, the deranged lunatics who are vaccinated and still terrified of Covid and still wanting to mask up their neighbor and to lockdown society need to be taken behind the shed and put down. They are evil or insane, but either way they are cancerous to our society.

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I'm a healthy, young-ish individual myself. I didn't get the vaccine for myself, but for all of the people I interact with daily and to help prevent what is now happening in Los Angeles--new pointless mask mandates brought on by unhinged narcissists in charge of government justifying their authoritarian edicts with the spread of the Delta variant caused largely by those who have refused to be vaccinated. It's why I was first in line for the jab because I knew this was going to happen if enough people didn't get vaxxed. Not enough people did and the fascists in charge of the gov't are going to use it to start coming after our freedoms again (if the public allows it). Since I live in a People's Republic there is a higher probability that I get swept up in the hysteria of Delta.

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The vaccines are not perfect. PHE estimates two-dose effectiveness against hospital admission with the Delta infections at around 94%. We can perhaps assume there is at least 95% protection against Covid-19 death, which means the lethal risk is reduced to less than a twentieth of its usual value.

But the risk of dying from Covid-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap. This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 – much lower, but still not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths.

Why do brainless antivaxxers post headlines out of context?  Are their brains made of mush?

 
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I read the article 12 hours or so ago, but something like 432 hospitalizations in Los Angeles in [I don't recall the time period] were 100% among the unvaccinated. I seriously don't understand those refusing to get vaccinated. There are risks with vaccines but the risk analysis seems pretty clear to me--the risks of Covid are greater than the risk of the vaccine. Fully vaccinated people are at almost no risk of serious complications or death from Covid. If you don't like the mRNA "experimental" vaccine then get J&J.

Yep.  If you refuse to get a vaccine, at this point, then you barely even deserve treatment if you get the virus.  Obviously some major ethical issues with that so not a real policy possibility, but still.  No need to coddle those who refuse to be good citizens.  Good riddance.

 

If places like LA continue to take a step backwards in enforcing mask mandates (and eventually likely restrictions) because cases went up, then what is the exit strategy here? If the unvaccinated don’t want to get vaccinated, then so be it. Let them get natural immunity. There are two ways in defeating a virus and it’s vaccines and natural immunity. Vaccines were never said to be 100% effective in preventing infection. They do however help in preventing serious illness/hospitalization/death.

 

Wasn't the initial lockdown over a year ago to keep our healthcare industry from collapsing (never got close to that)? Wtf were they for after that? Wtf would they be for now? Just allow vaccine optionality. If people w the vaccine die ok cool don't rub it in everyone's face. If people w/o the vaccine die ok cool don't rub it in everyone's face. 

 

I strongly believe the delta variant is a hoax meant to scare more people into getting vaccinated. COVID cases magically shot up over the past couple of weeks even when there's supposedly 65% of individuals over 12 yo that have had at least one shot. 

The same media that's still pushing the J&J vaccine even when the FDA just issued a warning on it. No surprise as J&J has been having issues with a few products such as their talcum powder and Neutrogena tanning sprays. This continues to be a circus.

 

1) You are a moron. 
 

2) J&J did not develop the vaccine, its pharma subsidiary, Janssen, did. You are basically saying don’t trust Hot Pockets (a brand) because there was a mishap at a Nestlé (a multinational CPG corporation) chocolate factory.
 

Bozos like you who so confidently opine on things about which they know zilch is why this country’s going to hell in a handbasket 

 

Why would a variant scare more people into getting vaccinated?  That doesn't make any sense - they're not vaccinated for the original, why would they change their minds now?  It's a conspiracy theory for it's own sake.

If you've refused a vaccine to date (and have had ample opportunity to get it), then frankly I feel like you should be refused medical treatment for COVID symptoms.  Would do the country a great deal of good to get rid of some of these selfish, piece of shit, science denying anti-vaxxers

 

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