Distance learning causes spike in F grades across America

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/28/spike…

Distance learning has proved disastrous for millions of American students. The ones who study hard are missing out from the offhand discussions and conversations that enliven the school day and provide grounding for additional learning. But the brunt really falls on the unmotivated students, the middle-of-the-road 1200-SAT 28-ACT 3.0-GPA losers who simply don't care about education. Distance learning isn't an urgent alarm for them to try harder to keep up with their education; it's a hand waving them goodbye from school. They can essentially check out completely. Until the left relents on their disgusting politicization of COVID, there is nothing we can do about this. Looks like the current generation is headed into some pretty dark times. And yeah, let's definitely pretend that BigTech and the Democrats aren't capitalizing off of this.

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Nov 29, 2020 - 3:52am

Liberals learn one more time that radically altering methods that might have some flaws but fundamentally work, in favor of things that sound good on paper, does not actually deliver. 

Now just wait they find out this affects particularly bad certain groups the left has a crazy fetish for and see how they start whining that distance learning promotes systemic racism. 

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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Nov 29, 2020 - 8:57am

Well, I was going to provide qualitative input about the virtual learning process but then you went off the rails about all of this bullshit about the evil liberals. Your closed minded views are going to inhibit your ability to work with people who have views that are different from yours. 

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Nov 29, 2020 - 3:49pm

I am merely offering my opinion to the forum. If I was close-minded, I would not even be posting this online or seeking others' input. Is CRE "close minded" when he slobbers over Biden? Is Ozymandia "close minded" when he posts leftist dogma? There is a very distinct line between being close minded and holding an opinion. Your inability to distinguish between the two makes me inclined to believe that perhaps you are the close minded one here.

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:20pm

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I am merely offering my opinion to the forum. If I was close-minded, I would not even be posting this online or seeking others' input. Is CRE "close minded" when he slobbers over Biden? Is Ozymandia "close minded" when he posts leftist dogma? There is a very distinct line between being close minded and holding an opinion. Your inability to distinguish between the two makes me inclined to believe that perhaps you are the close minded one here.

When you believe in half baked left wing conspiracies about big tech trying to turn this country into a bastion of socialism, I would say you are closed minded or misguided or paranoid.   

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Nov 30, 2020 - 1:05pm

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Is CRE "close minded" when he slobbers over Biden?

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Nov 29, 2020 - 11:19am

You're mentally stunted if you fail an online class. It's insanely easy to cheat if you aren't a neurotic autist.

Nov 29, 2020 - 1:15pm

Some of these kids are 9 years old and don't know any better

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Nov 29, 2020 - 1:28pm

I don't know about that. My five year old cousin just started school this year and he's figured out that if he just writes some random bullshit on his homework he gets an A. He's literally been handing in rubbish since September and is on the "honor roll." I also remember figuring out ways to cheat the system from a very young age, forging my dads signature on tests I failed, creating a cheating system the whole classroom would follow. Some kids are just dumb, they don't know how to work smart.

Nov 29, 2020 - 7:10pm

I don't know about that. My five year old cousin just started school this year and he's figured out that if he just writes some random bullshit on his homework he gets an A. He's literally been handing in rubbish since September and is on the "honor roll." I also remember figuring out ways to cheat the system from a very young age, forging my dads signature on tests I failed, creating a cheating system the whole classroom would follow. Some kids are just dumb, they don't know how to work smart.

I'm going to read about you in the papers one day.

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Nov 29, 2020 - 7:06pm

Well , not everyone wants to cheat. Some people have morals you know. Anecdotal but I used to be a really good student when things were in person but having difficulty staying motivated or driven this'semester. All the work (or even more in some classes) with none of the fun. That along with virtual recruiting has just been a draining experience. Hoping things change soon.

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Nov 29, 2020 - 7:57pm

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Well , not everyone wants to cheat. Some people have morals you know. 

I am well aware that lot of cheating is going on.   I do not condone cheating but if everyone does it, and you do not, you are at a disadvantage.  The situation sucks.  I am hoping we go to some kind of hybrid model in the spring.   Idk, the schools could have done a better job with clubs and extra curricular activities.  Most kids do not like the online classes.  School is more than just sitting in a classroom

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Nov 29, 2020 - 7:47pm

This is so much less about the "F" grades that these kids are getting and much more that there is zero accountability in online classes. Parents don't have the time to reach their kids. Teachers don't give a single F*ck because they aren't making a connection with the kids. This is going to compound. It is absolutely terrifying snd will be the single biggest leader of class divide over the next 25 years.

Nov 30, 2020 - 1:07pm

On the other hand, it could work out well for you, Pyle. The uneducated tend to vote Republican. 

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Nov 30, 2020 - 1:19pm

CRE On the other hand, it could work out well for you, Pyle. The uneducated tend to vote Republican. 

Truth.  In all fairness., lots of uneducated people vote for democrats, though.  

In another and related topic, one of PrivatePyle teammates is trying to convince me that West Virginia is in the mid-west.  

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Nov 30, 2020 - 2:11am

Wouldn't call a kid with a 28 "middle of the road." Idk if you ever took the act but thats like the 88th percentile and pretty good score for someone not gunning for an ivy/target/T15 lac. You can get into pretty much any state school with that. 
 

but other than that totally agree.

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Nov 30, 2020 - 11:22am

Unless you're instate :) (except for cal). Also gotta remember not everyone is gunning for the business school. 

Nov 30, 2020 - 12:27pm

Don't have any credits so commenting so I can subsequently give you MS for being mega douche

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Nov 30, 2020 - 11:58am

I've completed a master's degree in real estate in-person and MS in accounting distance. There is no chance--none--I could have done well in distance learning as a young person (especially a male minor with concentration issues). Zero chance. At least as a male, distance learning feels like it's something geared toward adults. You have to be super disciplined and motivated. Without motivation and discipline you will not succeed. At the very least, in-person learning provides a degree of accountability. And so does the cost of the program. Kids aren't paying anything, can't see two moves ahead about why this subject matter is important, and many struggle to concentrate. Take away the discipline aspect of it and there is a huge portion of kids who are going to fail to perform well in distance learning.

With all that said, there is absolutely a segment of the population that can excel in distance learning. I actually think the school system needs to do a better job identifying those kids and providing them with the opportunity to distance learn.

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Nov 30, 2020 - 12:37pm

On what planet is 1200 SAT "middle-of-the-road"? That's somewhere around the 75th percentile. 

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Nov 30, 2020 - 8:20pm

I definitely agree with the overall point of what you're saying, the SAT definitely isn't difficult. Maybe I'm just butthurt about my relatively shitty score (1480) but I feel like a 1550+ isn't the line, it's probably closer to 1400-1450.

Nov 30, 2020 - 8:34pm

For someone who is, ostensibly, as smart as you are, you sure don't understand what "middle of the road" means. I'm kind of annoyed that someone as douchey as you is a fellow conservative. 

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Nov 30, 2020 - 8:36pm

I understand that you got perfect scores from little studying and therefore think standardized tests are a cake walk, but thinking that anyone can get above a 1550 is asinine. A 1550 is comfortably within the top percentile, and therefore incredibly unrealistic as a benchmark for middle of the road students.

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Nov 30, 2020 - 7:04pm

Not all kids have equal opportunity to make this work well

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Nov 30, 2020 - 7:32pm

My argument is that the hyper-politicization of COVID by many predominantly liberal states like California and New York ought to come to an end. Schools in Utah or Missouri, for example, have treated the virus rationally by opening up schools with contingency measures for when the number of cases exceeds a threshold. Those schools are running just fine

Nov 30, 2020 - 7:45pm

You're mentioning the hyper politicization of COVID when many right-leaning politicians and figures have gone around saying it's a hoax or a liberal created weapon that will end when Biden steps into office. We have seen wave after of wave of COVID upticks cuz dumbasses won't abide by simple guidelines because of the politicization of the virus, but not by dems. If the evidence shows that opening schools does not cause a large rise in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths I am all for it, but to blame the dems for making it a political issue ignores the other side. 

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Nov 30, 2020 - 7:39pm

You're creating a straw man because no one would say that grades matter more than lives. I think what people are saying is it appears that with certain protocol in place schools are able to be/stay open. Don't bring up case counts in some local elementary school or something because it would completely expose how idiotic your logical reasoning ability is.

Nov 30, 2020 - 8:28pm

First, if you're judging people off their SAT and ACT scores and deeming them losers, you're a top level douchebag. Second, seems hypocritical of you to be calling people losers when you're the guy ranting about politics on WSO. Seriously turn off Fox News and get your head out of your ass. 

 

 

Nov 30, 2020 - 8:44pm

I would recommend judging people instead by their character, it's a much better metric. Regardless of where you get your news, placing the blame of a pandemic on people with different beliefs than you will bring zero change nor benefit to you. Especially on WSO

 

 

Nov 30, 2020 - 8:39pm

Lol judging people by their test scores is one of the last things I would expect from a hardcore Fox News viewer

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Dec 1, 2020 - 6:10am

This forum is so weird. Anyone else get the impression op enjoyed reading that article? I think it's sad the next generation/generations of adults might be less marketable to employers because they fell behind in their education.

Jobs that had low barriers of entry and allowed students and people with less marketable skills to make a living, such as a cashier, are being replaced by technology and consequently giving these same groups fewer options to earn a fair living. What's going to happen if students can't find jobs because they don't have the technical knowledge to be employed? The stat of students getting Fs is a bad sign of things to come.

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Dec 1, 2020 - 4:13pm

Forget "technical knowledge" - what's going to happen to society once the current youth generation is let free into the real world with attention spans equivalent to those of tadpoles, and zero interest in learning and education. When someone cruises through the first 18 years of his/her life without encountering any real intellectual challenge, that's usually a good sign of what's to come

Dec 3, 2020 - 2:13pm

I'm not sure where all these idiots come from to be honest. I got a perfect score out of the womb on the ACT and had full rides to every ivy league school. 

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