Maybe its because I'm still in my low 20s, but I dont see how money is required/considered by females.. Most guys our age meet women at a bar or a club. These are places where basically every man is on an equal playing field, where their looks is what sets them apart. And the girls you meet at these places arent the type of girls that you'd want to date or spend money on, so I dont see why so many men stress the importance of money when it comes to women.
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There's a big difference between being a potential hookup (read: 1 night stand) and being a potential mate.
Of course money doesn't matter when you're only having one night stands, but the point of those is to not let the woman know that's your objective.
Signature relevant.
Yes they do care about money. Let's not kid ourselves - every guy pays for sex. It doesn't matter if it's your long-time girlfriend/wife or a hooker. $ is always needed.
I know I'm being facetious here, but I didn't ever pay for sex in college in any way. I think I bought a girl a drink once at a bar, and never took one out for a date of any kind. Yet somehow, they'd come over after a night out in the smallest dress possible, ready to rock n roll. What's better, they usually left afterwards.
God I miss college, $14 cocktails in Manhattan is awful
Are guys really so smart and so stupid at the same time?
You can cross out 'so smart and' and 'at the same time'.
$$$ increases odds of getting laid. the delta clearly depends on the type of girl we are talking about, but it ALWAYS increases the odds. end of discussion.
Once they get older, women care about money a lot more, especially in major cities. If you're not really good looking, make sure you have an awesome job, great education, and a lot of money.
The question should be, do you care about women who do care about money? Just try to meet women who don't care how much you make
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who gives a fuck what women want? if she's going to look down on you b/c you don't make enough to satisfy her demands, then dump that shallow bitch and find a better woman.
yeah ummm generalization much? At minimum, the question should read "do most women care about money?"
The older you are, the more important money becomes in landing hot chicks.
still not met a decent girl who's dated a bartender but, yea, they say love conquers all, just doesnt pay for stuff either.
Not sure what you mean decent, but there are plenty of hot girls who would date a bar tender.
female classmate from high school...one of the few who got into an ivy league school and is now studying for her MBA at the same ivy......she's going to be marrying the kid she had dated since HS and he attended a community college before transferring to a top 150 college and currently sells auto parts at an autobody shop. i kid you not.
im quite annoyed actually only because she's very decent looking and a super kind person who had helped me through a lot in the past and i can name 100000 guys who would be better for her and some of us are just going WTF?!
Money makes the world go round. Infact women want it more than us men.
not once you leave university they dont.
sorry, my reply was meant to quote the other guy in my answer, we are in agreement here.
Is that really so wrong? (I ask genuinely not sensing your tone). What is to follow excludes all of the women who don't mind earning more/are happy that way; the following is to explain the rational of women who want a family, and a guy who can materially provide for that family.
Think about it. Lets say you mutually want a family, lets say 2/3 kids. Disclaimer: My support of men earning more is under the assumption that she wants to/is intending to make the house a home, which yes (including raising kids) is a full-time job. There are certain parts of that, no matter how good your intentions as a man are, you just can't play an equal role; namely like pregnancy, breast feeding, shedding after pregnancy weight (which is traumatizing/destabilizing for some people + a number of issues I don't know about yet as I have not had kids. you don't just pop on a suit and head back to the office).
If there was some outwardly noticeable trait that men could see that guaranteed a woman's ability to produce, nurture and maintain a family, I bet woman displaying this trait would be first off the market (as far as men seeking marriage and families are convened). The trait I am talking about in men is that their bank balance does dictate their ability to provide materially. (willingness, generosity and all that are another issue altogether)
In all of the above; it is clear that there is a full time, character changing, time consuming role to be done which (at least time-wise) can be equated to a full time job. My logic for picking a mate who earned more than me (and enjoyed his work thoroughly) is that should I come to enjoy raising our family full-time I could do that. I may still choose to have 2 jobs: the one at home and the one outside; but would only do that if it made me happier.
In short; the reason why women who want to settle down with someone who can materially provide is that in many ways the material role is the only one that can be 'outsourced', or where a man can increase his contribution to the whole dynamic. If she chooses to have 2 roles fine, but she's making sure that if it makes them both happier (happiness being the point of the WHOLE thing) that she can have 1 job =to nurture, and he can have 1 job=to provide)
This whole woman gold digger thing has been irritating me for some time. Women being guilted into doing much more than what is fair just so that they can be considered 'new-age'. Only to realize that they end up metaphorically, hunting, killing, gutting, cooking and serving the bacon in their pursuit of being a 'modern woman'. This is such a sneaky game played on women by lazy men.
Just depends what kinda meat you wanna slay.
In my experience, it's inversely correlated. The worse my relative position is socioeconomically, the better I do. Game trumps all.
maybe desperation trumps all.
Not when they unzip my pants
Haha do not have experience with this issue
It really depend on your situation and what you are looking for. Taking home girls from bars has absolutely nothing to do with money. And since that's all most of us are trying to do in our early to mid twenties, it doesn't matter much. But it matters more as you start to seriously date. Even more so, it matters more so relative to the rest of your age group. If you are making 100k at 24 and have no time and 70k at 24 and have time the 70k guy is winning out. But at 30 you will start to see more of a divergence between those who have and have not. At that point in time it starts to matter more to potential mates.
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took her back and she's like "Tommy, you're too toned. I luv money and your body's money"
tru story kidz
Mine doesn't, but then she's a rich single child and isn't very materialistic on account of she already has everything she's ever wanted and knows that material items don't equal happiness. I'm glad her parents taught her that so I don't have to.
The way she puts it - money signifies a certain level of accomplishment and togetherness in a man, and that is attractive to women.
That said, it's better to make a mid level and keep a good home - one with a clean kitchen/bathroom/lots of toilet paper around (having lots of toilet paper makes women feel comfortable - fact!) than to be a rich slob who's constantly missing his credit card payments due to sloppiness/laziness and has dirty clothes all over the place and no good food in the fridge.
But it's even better to be rich and have your shit together.
Unless she is Sheryl Crow, in which case she will go ballistic and accusing you of single-handedly destroying earth's rainforests and causing global warming.
I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday, she's 23. She knows this wealthy guy, the kind that throws down $5k at a night club (he's 34 y.o.). I ask "Would you date him?" She says, "Ya! Hes so nice and smart..." blah blah..
Point is, I know her and she would NEVER date a guy in their 30s for reasons like nice and smart.... My friends, it's all about the money money money....
At least with some girls (I'd stay away from those types, no matter how much money you have.) If you got it, they don't care about you, they care about $; if not, they dont like you period.
Every woman is different. MOST care about money somewhat. I'd be willing to say most women are looking for a guy with a steady job, income potential for a mortgage in a decent neighborhood, able to afford kids, a minivan, a vacation to Disneyworld, and all that. Some women are straight hippies who need money for acid and week every month and willing to live out of a van traveling the country. Some women just go straight for the gold, want the big house, vacation homes, blah blah.
Most women will be happy with any "secure" job/career progression.
When a man is wealthy/powerful, it’s certainly attractive to us females…not because of the things he can buy with said money, but because he has accomplished something impressive in life without having it handed to him on a platter. Now, if he for example won $10 million in the lottery and works as a bartender and never went to college, no way would he be attracting beautiful, young, and accomplished women. Let’s say a gorgeous 27-year-old woman makes $75k a year, has multiple degrees, speaks multiple languages, etc. Why would she want the guy who makes $30k a year, doesn’t have a degree, and has never traveled outside of Kansas? They are worlds apart. This is not as shallow as most people make it seem. It’s mostly just laws of nature at work.
"And the girls you meet at these places arent the type of girls that you'd want to date or spend money on, so I dont see why so many men stress the importance of money when it comes to women." Oh so any woman that has set foot into a bar or a club is someone who you would not want to date? That's interesting logic. I can see why nobody wants you. Seriously kid change your attitude.
Do men care about money? Yes? So I bet women do too.
Still blows my mind. She makes ~4x more than him, and could be a model (super sexy exotic she's a 5'9" Jordanian).
The real question is "will money help me conquer my own insecurities?" And the answer is yes.
First, let me be clear that I'm referring to women you want to keep in the long term, not the skanks from the bar.
It's not money, so much, as security. I came from a VERY middle class family without much to show for the years of blue collar labor they slogged through. I've asked my wife, who I dated in college, why she chose me over the legions of guys she could have had and she named 3 specific things:
1) physical attraction - people who say looks don't matter are probably unattractive. While the ugly guy might get the hot girl, the odds are not in his favor. 2) humor - people love to laugh. 3) ambition - and this is the point. Having money doesn't necessarily make you attractive. Seeing a person with ambition and drive is sexy, and what is the biggest payoff of ambition? $$$Money$$$ which = security.
But... once you are killing it, stay grounded. If you want that lady for the long term, she is going to want the man she fell in love with. Though, she won't complain about a few diamonds.
yes.
I want to say yes but the single hottest girl I ever knew (amazing personality, and job too) is about to marry a male kindergarten teacher, making maybe 45k/yr. I still might show up to the wedding and propose to her.
Women don't like broke ass, out of work guys. If you have a good job, are nice to women without being a pussy and look decent/funny/take care of yourself, you will have no problem getting women. If you basically suck, yeah, you need a ton of cash to get women, and I use the word women loosely.
Ask yourself what it is YOU want. When you can answer that, everything...including women / a mate...falls into place. You can overanalyze anything, but humans are simple creatures, so you set the agenda and then just go do it.
Rock on
I'm not really concerned with women's perception of my lack of wealth, which works out for me since I'm into what society refers to as "fat chicks."
Women do not care about money, they care about the things that money buys.
I know another girl from HS who had ended up at Columbia who got a job with Facebook and is now engaged to a cop.
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