Do you hate poor people?

As much as Donald Trump? In the last week we've seen proposed plans come out of the white house that:

Gut medicaid and limit access to low cost private insurance
Cut low income housing programs
Cut low income food programs
Cut after school and summer programs primarily attended by low income children
Cut training for public school teachers
Cut legal services for the poor

Where is that money going? Well to 50% more drones, a wall, and high income tax cuts.

As someone who is very involved in education programs/non profits around NYC, the thing that sticks out to me the most is that we are essentially taking away as much support as we can from children, which will only serve to decrease social mobility and take away the ability for us to truly be a meritocracy. Without funding for low income education programs, while providing poor children with adequate healthcare and housing, the likelihood of graduating HS/college and obtaining a career (whether through a trade or white collar) drops drastically.

No matter what your party affiliation is, we can all agree that reducing the talent pool and making America less meritocratic is a bad thing. And it's not like we can disguise this as fiscal responsibility, considering the entirety of the proposed spending programs and revenue cuts.

 
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When poor people get hungry they revolt and revolutions are started. America is headed down this path.

America's poor are the richest poor people in human history.

Lol What's your basis for this statement? Have you lived in several different improvised communities in America? How do you define wealth? Back up your claim. what data could you possibly be looking at? Truth is we have some of the poorest lower/working class people in the 'developed' world. So your statement is empirically false

 

There is plenty of opportunity in this country if you are willing to go at it:

-- Selling cars to selling medical devices, seen it.

-- Drive, grey hound, hitch hike to the nearest oil town during boom times and make 80k+ your first year. You can arrive in midland with no shoes, no shirt, no GED and one arm and have a job by sundown. Seen it.

-- Work 50 hours a week while in college while studying engineering coming from a small Louisiana town. Seen it.

-- Go into tech sales from selling cell phones/other dumb shit with no college degree via performance. Actually quite common.

-- Venezuelan roommate comes from Venezuela and works at a gas station while finishing college. Starts a business and has to support his mom because her pension in Venezuela was gone b/c of gov't while finishing his last year of college. Happened.

Plus plenty more I've seen...

 

So from what you have provided, it is almost as if you put in effort and try to abide by the law, that you might actually have some success in life. Odd that this could work.

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One of the problems with being poor in USA is that you have poor freedom to move upwards, or to follow your dreams. Since healthcare is often bound to work (for far too many), you NEED to be employed to survive, in the literal sense. One serious illness or ailment could bankrupt you for life.

This creates an environment where poor Americans will take any job they can, and employers know they can abuse their disposable employees. People ask "Why do poor people stay at those minimum wage jobs? They're meant for students and teens!", well, maybe those minimum wage jobs offer some kind of coverage. If you're a parent, your main goal is to ensure that your family is safe.

Imagine if there was some universal healthcare, so that people could actually do the things they wanted, without being shackled to their employers because of healthcare coverage.
Somehow the conservatives moan about "socialist" healthcare being un-American, but I'd say that keeping people from pursuing happiness is pretty fucking un-American.

But that's just one part of the equation. Other things I'd like to see: Decriminalization of AT LEAST weed. (The amount of poor people being incarcerated because of bullshit reefer madness-era policies is staggering.)

Serious research on Universal Basic Income. Like it or not, many jobs are never, ever coming back. And they are not getting replaced with other jobs. The next industrial revolution will hit the poor very, very hard.

 

There are emergency rooms and they do service the uninsured and yes you and I do pay for it. However, I think that a charity should be started to cover unmet medical expenses for people of all ages. It removes the socialist stigma and allows people/entities to donate how they wish with tax benefits. So let's say somebody goes in for a procedure it would cover the expenses should the recipient qualify - i.e. unemployed with no coverage. The fact that this has not happened amazes me.

Only two sources I trust, Glenn Beck and singing woodland creatures.
 

Poor Americans have had free medical. It is called Medicaid.

The people who are fucked with insurance are the lower middle class. Not poor enough for Medicaid. Not rich enough to not care.

And you cannot have basic income without limitations on reproduction. We need less humans, not more, especially from very poor countries.

 

Get rid of social security, Medicaid, food stamps, disability, unemployment, and every other entitlement program and give everyone a basic income.

You don't want to work? Well you can go live in a $250 studio in middle of nowhere Kansas with your basic income money and buy your food at the cheap grocery store.

Not sure if it is possible but it would be interesting to see if it was actually possible.

 

People on welfare with 2007+ Beamers, Audis or Acuras. And,the ones with unlimited data plans on their Iphone 7s.
That arn't right. But then again so isn't tax evasion, and (insert other stuff here). But who am I to judge how other citizens in my society act.

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Relax. Of course its not the average, but its not as uncommon as it should be. Just like the monetarily endowed using their resources to protect their wealth and avoid paying taxes while simultaneously attempting to reduce their effective tax rate. Maybe it is racially charged, seeing as how you brought it up, but it doesn't have to be. No matter your race you will do the things listed above.

The 'real' issues at hand: 1.) Could it be prevented, and would the costs of doing so outweigh the benefits? 2.) Why is the middle class, in your view of what makes up the middle class, voting for this?

It is what it is.

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Many encouraging and discouraging things about this thread. I won't get into the race conversation, all_day has pretty much covered the bases. You can sum up the plight of the poor in this country (and around the world) in one sentence: less margin for error. It is that simple. Any moron stating that poor stay poor simply because they are "lazy" is willfully ignoring reality. They have less margin for error in every way. Let's use high school as a simple example. The shitty public school you go to may not have a single person get an ivy league education, even the valedictorian, while the rich public school has multiple kids get into ivies. Once you get in college the middle class/ rich kid/ you the poor kid may all have shitty grades their first year, the middle class kid may have to go back home and go to community college for a bit on his parent's dime, the rich kid has his parents paying and can afford the fuck up, the poor kid gets his financial aid taken away and can't afford to pay for his community college so he goes to work at some minimum wage job, he may never go to college again. Even if he does his road back is much tougher. Look at having a kid in HS, rich kid will be just fine, middle class kid probably has parents to support him till he can support the kid, poor dude is probably fucked. Our entire justice system is set up so rich people face less of a punishment for the same crime than poor people. Of course, people often do overcome being poor, hard work and intelligence can get you far especially if they're in tandem. But let's work in averages since most people are average. The average rich kid will stay rich, the average middle class kid will stay middle class, the average poor person will stay poor. If "laziness" was the determining factor in economic outcomes then there should be way more movement by average people down the economic ladder, but there isn't. As long as this is the case we need to examine every reasonable path to making sure the poor don't suffer more than they need to.

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I think you're spot on about margin of error, but you finished by saying that we shouldn't make those are poor suffer more than they need to. While I agree with that as well, what do you propose be done about that? It sounds like you'res saying that those who have less should have lower standards (lower GPA requirement for college, more runway for bad grades, etc).

It's really great that everyone in this thread has a stable job and we all started out (or will start out) making, at a minimum, $60k base with rapid growth and likely large bonuses, but we can't just sit here in our ivory towers and point out problems without at least offering up solutions.

 

1.) Reform the justice system to go back to focus on rehabilitation of criminals (for example getting a technical degree/ going to community college online while in prison) rather than punishment. I would also end the bullshit war on drugs that keeps nonviolent offenders in prison and turns them into hardened criminals. I would also end the "3 strikes" system, repeat offenses can be taken into account but we shouldn't force a prison sentence based on repeat offenses. In this system though, we have to be careful to monitor judges so they do not abuse their discretionary power.

2.) I would focus on improving public education by making it easier to fire shitty teachers and also centralizing the property tax system so public school budgets are more equitable. Increasing the pay for teachers across the board to attract better talent might also be necessary. I would build in technical components into high schools where a kid can take a class in (for example) construction and get a certificate so upon leaving HS they can get a job in that industry without needing college. More funding for after-school programs focused on learning would also be welcome.

3.) Free healthcare and college for all American citizens is something that I think we also need to work towards. Also, extra funding for technical community colleges is something I would seriously look into implementing.

4.) I would expand public housing (or some kind of housing voucher system) and making it lease-to-OWN in order to incentivize the poor to maintain their homes rather than letting it go to ruin. One is much more likely to not let their homes go to shit (like much of public housing) if they have "skin in the game".

With these four components I think we can improve the lives of the poor, and their prospects for economic improvement, dramatically.

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Good post. This illustrates how America at a cultural level has shifted away from being primarily concerned with what portion of the population can achieve entrance (and stay in) the middle class to how large a slice of the total pie a shrinking amount of elite upper class winners can take.

Families like the Koch's and Walton's should pay/treat their employees better BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO. THEY SHOULD REALIZE A BETTER OUTCOME FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST IN THE LONG RUN AS THEIR BUSINESSES RELY ON MIDDLE CLASS CONSUMPTION.

 

I think it all boils down to a lack of guidance and proper role models. In a poor community, chances are your parents work long hours and aren't around much. Then you listen to a person like Future that raps about molly and percs and became rich from doing so. Why grind for years in school when you can be like your favorite rapper? Too many people become role models to people in poor communities for the wrong reasons. I am not saying that all people look to rappers as role models, but if you were to ask the average 13 year old in these schools who they look up to, chances are its a pop culture star. Whereas in a middle class family if you have two successful parents that serve as role models and are involved in your life, your aspirations in life may be different.

 

Doesn't this beg the question of how much governmental involvement is enough or even too much?

Certain people say those from the hood or out in the sticks will remain poor due to their inability to break out of the cycle they're in or probably because the safety net that exists in better than having to work a job, pay taxes and bills, etc.

At what point do we say enough is enough and stop supporting people who aren't willing to help themselves? Liberals love to bitch about bailouts but what about the taxpayer bailing out dead beats from cradle to grave?

What about Juanita or Shaniqua with their 5 kids in tow with little to no education? The amount of money they receive and the support network setup by the government should be more than enough to get them out of the cycle they're in but either they're too stupid to do so and or unwilling to make sacrifices to break out of the poverty cycle.

Call me a racist if you want but I see this shit daily and hell even in the state I'm from (HINT: Oil, Conservative, with a hipster/liberal capital) we have programs that give those impoverished an opportunity to breakout but they simply choose not to.

I come from a county where there is no aid and what little you may give isn't even enough to survive on yet people aren't dropping like flies and dying there working their butt off because they're being forced to survive and not leach off of others.

 

We spend more money on public education than any other developed country and we get the worst results (or close to out). Cutting expenditure on ineffective, and often corrupt, programs is not bad for the poor though it's very good for the worker/entrepreneur/risk taker.

So your whole narrative is false.

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We spend more money on public education than any other developed country and we get the worst results (or close to out). Cutting expenditure on ineffective, and often corrupt, programs is not bad for the poor though it's very good for the worker/entrepreneur/risk taker.

So your whole narrative is false.

After school and summer programs are proven, by non partisan studies, to increase test scores and provide better nutrition (thereby better development) to kids who regularly attend. So no, it's not false, it's fact. The level of which they help is a more hotly debated topic, but the fact that they are a net positive for poor kids isn't debated (unless you are the WH budget chief, who lied multiple times on camera about things he clearly isn't informed about).

The issue with waste in the education system is much more complicated and I touched on it above. We have a horrible base standard of education because of the way the system is structured. It's hard to really point at one specific issue, but IMO the fragmentation of the education system is the biggest problem. It creates waste and immobility.

On average, a public school system (k-12) is funded about 45% from local dollars, 45% from state dollars, and 10% from federal dollars. The federal and state level funding is flowed down to the local areas (so ~55% of their budget) based on formulas they are in charge of that are, constitutionally mandated, to create an adequate level of education and does not result in unreasonable wealth disparities between districts. Logically, it follows that the schools who are poor, and get much less from local taxes, would get more federal and state dollars. But a study in 2012 found that only 15 states were actually doing that, the rest either had flat funding across all schools or were, shockingly, giving to schools with much greater local tax base. Due to that we've seen lawsuits hit state supreme courts, challenging how dollars get distributed, in something like 4 or 5 states in the last 2-3 years.

What we've seen is that the rich districts are too flush with cash, cash that then gets put into things like Ipads for 10 year olds while another school may not even have a computer lab. We also see vast disparity in pay for teachers or the amount of teachers a school employs (class sizes are widely believed to be a big factor in learning ability). You also have lack of tutoring in some places whereas other districts have free tutoring by grad students. Then we have private donations for things like football stadiums that don't go put into these calculations but which are clearly school dollars that they don't have to spend on that sports team.

This is just one part of the equation, because clearly funding isn't everything, but it illustrates how our current fragmentation leads to waste and extreme inequality. We could easily get rid of redundancy and raise the minimum level of education from having a federal education system, instead of a locally fragmented one, with private schools supplementing for families that are willing and able to pay for more. But clearly this is a non starter from a political standpoint.

But to say that cutting expenditures on after school and summer programs isn't bad for poor kids is factually incorrect and shows a real misunderstanding of how the education system works.

 

There is absolutely no empirical relationship between dollar expenditure on public education and quality, nor should there be. The public school framework is one giant slush fund for special interests and for poorly qualified, rent-seeking unionized 'teachers.' You can cite the one-off, government funded study about some esoteric program all you want. It's just self-rationalization for corruption and theft. The U.S. had the most educated populace in the world before we turned it over to the government and to special interests.

http://www.heritage.org/education/report/does-spending-more-education-i…

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Some 8th grade boys who go to my wife’s school gang raped a girl who goes to the same school yesterday and broadcast it on Facebook live. The video got 200 views before anyone called the police. It was the girl’s brother. They found her wandering the streets alone.

All cultures are equal, right guys?

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First, poor people (which really means black people) aren't disadvantaged because of the 1860s and slavery. Black people have poor culture due to white terrorism. Second, if you're not poor, or don't come from poor, you probably hate or at least have a disdain for poor people. Fucking libtards are hypocrites. Conservatives/Repubs keep it 100% honest with their policies.

This is true, because it doesn't make sense to spend money on poor, given that there is a low probability of return. Look at hiring practices in IB and other prestigious jobs as an example. When black people came out of slavery there was positive progression in their economic state. It wasn't until terrorists acts, which have been documented as high from 1868 until the mid-1900s, that black people developed hip-hop culture, which is riddled in violence, gang culture, and aggression, but it is clearly a defense mechanism in response to terror directed towards the community.

 

1.) We are discussing poor people not just poor blacks or whites or whatever race. It just happens that blacks are disproportionately poor, although there are still more poor whites than blacks. The racial tint this thread has taken is truly sad and is part of the problem.

2.) Why should you hate poor people just because you're not poor? Makes no sense. No politicians "keep it 100% honest" so idk wtf you're talking about with that statement.

3.) I don't really get what you're talking about as far as return and definitely don't know what you're talking about regarding IB practices (the presumption here is that finance culture loves rich kids that went to Deerfield and played polo I'm assuming?).

4.) Hip-Hop culture has nothing to do with anything. Gangs and poverty and drugs existed before Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop was started as an offshoot of disco thus it started as jubilant dance music. It wasn't until the 90s or so, about 20 years after the genesis of Hip-Hop that gangsta rap came to the forefront. Let's not conflate inner-city poor culture as some sort of "Hip-Hop" culture.

Your post is a rambling mess.

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  1. Read between the lines. Everyone is talking about black people.

  2. I didn't say Repubs are 100% honest. I was referring to their policies. When they made the 'Promise to America' (or whatever it was called) in the early 1990s, it was directly in response to abuses taken against the social system. It was politically incorrect then, but it was direct. Libs don't like the difficulty and uncomfortableness of being clear in your position.

  3. Yes, finance loves rich kids. But they know there's a stagnation that happens when everyone looks like the Golf Club. Yet, why hasn't that changed? I will say, distinguishing yourself is an important piece to this, but the ways in which distinction must be achieved do not help. Also, it's not just about finance, it's about the most prestigious realms of society where the only accreditation needed is the name of your school on your resume. You can start with the most prestigious job, the Presidency, and work your way down. Tell me the only consistent theme.

  4. Yes, but what art form do you and mostly everyone else associate with gangs, drugs, and violence? If it didn't create these things, why are they so synonymous with hip hop?

 

EDIT: BobTheBaker meant to post this as a response.

  1. Cool.

  2. My point is, that stance was taken because abuse was occurring, but you can't quantify the amount of people who were negatively impacted by progressive policies. The intelligent and well-educated are able to cope with complex decisions better than those that are less educated. There is a divide. As an example, the effects of smoking are widely spread, yet it's the poor that still chooses to smoke, while the rich and educated middle class does a much better job of weeding out the pits of smoking, while coping better with life. Same thing with all other progressive issues. Look up marriage statistics, you'll see it's all down. Divorce? Up. People receiving welfare during AFDC were mostly single mothers who never married, and maybe that has something to do with the changing climate of marriage.

pic Poor people clearly make poorer decisions, which leads to some abuses that cannot even be quantified, such as dependency on social programs to fuel other negative habits (maybe that's drugs, alcohol, or even unfettered sex). The black market is called as such because no transparency comes out of it.

  1. Let's slow down, here.. Mainstream establishment loves rich kids, so it's not just finance. Even some of my favorite YouTube "adventure" channels, are mostly of rich kids (granted, they don't seem to know they're rich).

  2. Nonetheless, a culture's form of expressions is the most indicative depiction of the actual events the people go through. Not to mention, most hip hop artists openly admit that drugs, violence, and aggression are part of their stories. They're products of their environments, similarly to white trash poor rock bands. My point was that gang culture being prevalent, probably has the same foundation as that which led to MLK's later writings/speeches, Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers, it's white terrorism. Remember, gangster rap started in California, where the Rodney King incidents happened. Just pointing out that black culture became increasingly violent up to the climax of white terrorism.

Edit: Chart source.

 

2.) Your statement that politicians are honest was bullshit. I also said that most people do not abuse social programs to the level republicans imply and republicans consistently overstate said abuse for their goals (tax cuts for the rich). You going down the rabbit hole of how progressive programs may harm the poor by misaligning incentives is not what we were discussing. In any case, most studies also refute that bullshit assertion. People (generally) don't stay on food stamps because they love food stamps and would rather stay on food stamps than have an income/ job where they can purchase food. Poor people clearly get punished for poor decisions at a much harsher level than their non-poor counterparts. Perhaps they do make poorer decisions overall but the punishment disparity, in my opinion, is the bigger issue.

3.) America as a whole worships rich people. No argument there,

4.) Your statement was that hip-hop culture was created due to violence/ gangs/ etc. This isn't the case. Hip-Hop was created as dance music. The evolution of Hip-Hop into gangsta rap (which is now pretty much dead) is a reflection of their realities. People that don't know shit about rap speak like that's all it is or has ever been. As with any genre, there is an entire range of themes involved. For every Lil Wayne there is a Mos Def (but ofc Lil Wayne is the one that is a megastar, black people aren't the ones that made him a megastar btw).

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Again: these are my own personal thoughts, since I don't think this issue on 'poor' has been quantified or researched thoroughly enough.

  1. The mistake was mine. I kept using 'policy' as opposed to 'issue'. In any case, my original contention is the one against liberals' hypocrisy when it comes to describing the poor.

That's maybe a convoluted belief that poor people actually want to get on their feet. But, and I assume here, the belief is that something holds them back. What if they truly don't want to get on their feet? My point is, no one will openly admit, nor can we know for sure that poor people are consciously aware of their relative economic status, or whether they're animated by their deepest emotional disposition when they make stupid mistakes that ultimately harm them in the long-run. So why invest in them? I believe that the revolving door theory categorizes a certain emotional and subconscious state.

And when I talk about AFDC, I'm looking at how progress of the issues leaves behind the poor, just like economic advancement in the developed world. I think it's because the poor doesn't respond to the environment, nor work through complex information to sort the good from the bad. I think that, 10% of mothers on welfare, with nearly half of them being single mothers who never married, is indicative of the poor decision making to become that in your life. This is also a statistic that appeared during the first evidence of deteriorating state of marriage. Not to mention there was a very high number of cases where these women stayed on the assistance for extended periods.

  1. My argument was not on the creation of hip hop. It was on the creation of the part of black culture that is extremely intertwined with gang culture. I'm talking, specifically, about the hood. Obviously, I paraphrase poor blacks here with just blacks or black culture. My original statement emphasized that when black culture got to its lowest point, which is that of drugs, violence, gang culture, it was in the 80s and 90s. I was also making the observation that this is directly during the latter leg of white terrorism as the country was sort of far removed from slavery, on a relative basis. The sort of anti-social behavior in 80s/90s rap and gang culture is not unlike a troubled youth responding to an abusive parent, or even the American Revolutionaries overthrowing their British overlords, or the schoolyard bully. It's not normal and not characteristic of the people per se, to uplift violence and aggression, just a response to the environment. This means that both whites and blacks are responsible, although since statutes were enacted against racist terrorism, it is now on blacks to clean up house. So, I am not making an observation on the creation of hip hop, just on the cultural ebbs and flows of the music, which btw started in the late 60s/early 70s.
 

Congratulations, you have me discussing poor blacks when I've intended to discuss the poor in general.

2.) Did you really just imply the poor want to stay poor? In what way is not wanting to be poor a convoluted belief? I mean, why are am I even taking you seriously? The revolving door is a result of the reality of their condition. Just like the revolving door in the middle and with the rich. If you want to know what I mean by their condition you can refer to what others have posted on this very thread. When I see 50% of women on welfare being single mothers I think "makes sense, they are supporting themselves and a child and many are unable to afford childcare in order to work". Somehow you think "they made a terrible decision which is why they're single mothers and they make bad decisions thus we shouldn't provide them aid". Then you conveniently ignore research because there hasn't been enough of it (according to you) in order to justify your ridiculous beliefs.

3.) You've no clue about the music, what you know is what's been fed to you. You want to understand the reality then the reality is Hip-Hop reflects a range of conditions, drugs and gangs being one of them. Let's leave Hip-Hop out of the discussion of inner-city poor culture, I understand the two may be intertwined since art reflects reality but let's stick to discussing the reality it reflects. The lack of generational wealth, connections, proper education, dramatically decreased margin for error, and individuals like you who think helping the poor is a "bad investment" will likely make it even more difficult for black ppl to "clean up house".

I'm moving on.

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Read the anonymous confessionals of teachers assigned to inner-city schools with the intention of bringing them up to standard, only for them to become jaded and give up on those kids*. Truly harrowing stuff.

Reading these can cause you to believe that poor minorities are a lost cause and deserve their fate.

*I use the term "kids" here loosely. Some of the students are fully grown adults but keep failing classes.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
 

How to improve their standards? Only to bring them in school! Offering whole day education!

Extra things need to done as you said -

"Reading these can cause you to believe that poor minorities are a lost cause and deserve their fate."

Answer is hidden in these lines....""poor minorities are a lost cause and deserve their fate.""

Why? Because there is something missing!

 
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Why should my hard-earned 100 hour work week money (a result of 100k+ worth of student loans) go to fund a bunch of lazy freeloaders and their kids? Put your brains together, liberals, and ask yourselves, what kind of life example are we giving these kids if everything is given freely to them, no efforts needed?
Well said. Agree 100%
 

I am on another side! We cannot take anything with ourself after leaving this world. What do you think what Jesus had taken from this earth. Be generous, educate the society.

 

Who gives a rat's ass? What about the massacres in Sri Lanka, honey? Doesn't that affect us, too? I mean don't you know anything about Sri Lanka? About how the Sikhs are killing like tons of Israelis there? Doesn't that affect us?

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
 

The real underlying issue is the erosion of the values that once made this nation great. Toughness, self-sufficiency, discipline, and national pride all propelled America to the top after the World Wars. Now, America is a bloated dying carcass welfare state headed rapidly towards third world status. Increased funding (debt) will fix nothing when the system is broken - the administrative/bureaucratic black hole of inane inefficiency and waste will just consume 90%+ of any additional dollars allocated towards education, programs, etc...

I grow more and more pessimistic each day. You should hear the stories from friends of mine that worked for Teach for America - the inner city kids they taught were horrible with no discipline, work ethic, or basic manners. Middle school children were already abusing drugs and carrying weapons to school and there is no respect for elders/authority. This behavior is learned from their parents, useless welfare leaches who do nothing every day to improve they and their families well-being. As the welfare state grows the cycle continues of learned parasitism, and the US dies even quicker.

 

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