Jul 14, 2016
HARVARD EXTENSION SCHOOL ???? Master of liberal arts in finance ????
So, what do you think about the master of liberal arts in finance offered by Harvard extension school ??? is it good in order to be accepted by an investment bank?
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Its Worthless.
You'd be better off spending the money on a sex change and blow your way into IBD than getting in through a MLS from the Extension School.
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@UTDFinanceGuy Despite the fact that Harvard Extension School has a unique admissions process, HES has a 32% acceptance rate, which is far more selective than most private American colleges in addition to most top 10 public universities. So, it is not completely useless, dude. You just perceive that it is useless because you either don't like non-traditional students, don't like Harvard, or don't like HES's unique admissions process, which forces students to progress towards graduation by proving themselves.
Found the kid who doesn't want to believe his HES degree will be worthless
@Howard Hughes Dude, you must not know how to read. I am a UPenn student.
No, I just can call BS when I see it. If you're supposedly a Penn student, why do you give such a flying fuck about HES? 32% isn't that selective (which I don't even know how you can say that if you are "going to Penn"), especially considering those students are probably in general not going to be as impressive as candidates to other top schools, because they most likely couldn't get in anywhere else even remotely similar to real Harvard (or probably any other top 20-25 school) so they have to settle for HES.
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@Howard Hughes Wow, your comments are so nasty that they reek of troll. You replied to one of my comments saying something like "chill out," yet you are the one using profanity. You are so bothered by Harvard Extension that you said "I found the kid..." referring to me, mistakingly pegging me as a HES student when I am a Penn student.
The reason why I say anything about Yale EWSP, Columbia GS, Brown RUE, or Harvard EXT is because I have a lot of friends in these programs who have it tough enough. They don't need it any harder, so when I see wrong information, I correct it.
By the way, who are you to say a HES degree is worthless? Your grammar is off, you make erroneous public statements based on your personal prejudices, and you are most likely still a student yourself, which destroys your credibility when you say stuff like HES is "worthless."
I said chill out because you were digging up tons of old threads about HES that no one except for you cares about. I don't have "personal prejudices" either lmao, I don't really care about HES but I thought it's hilarious how much you are trying to defend it. And yes, I am a student, but I'm not sure how that destroys my credibility saying HES is worthless. You're a student too, so wouldn't that destroy your credibility about thinking there's value in a HES degree?
@Howard Hughes All I asserted is that HES has an acceptance rate of 32%.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/04/fro... I provided an article to prove what I was saying. Then you stated that HES degrees are "worthless" as if you were some authority or employer, and didn't offer any evidence to back your claims. You are not a MD at a BB, you are not even an analyst. Yet, you feel so threatened by Harvard Extension School that you are willing to attack HES. Job seekers and students should avoid making claims, though, because they aren't employers. So philosophically, it may be worthless to you, but might be worth gold to another.
However, I ask any and all managing directors, vice presidents, and WSO users who employ in PE, VC, HF, and IB to comment on this, because if HES is as "worthless" as @Howard Hughes has stated, and will make it impossible for HES grads to break into finance, prospective HES students should know.
Why? Because, HES markets their degrees as a means by which people can accomplish their dreams.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAdTQhCXsAAvBq0.jpg
Note: I have seen some other HES advertisements on FB, claiming "Make your dreams come true."
So, if MDs, VPs, and employers in HF, PE, VC, and IB (as well as employers from other high paying fields like consulting) truly think HES diplomas are "worthless," everyone should hear it from them, not students or random, irrelevent people who are not employers.
That way, next time someone thinks about HES for college, they will know whether "a HES degree from Harvard" will or will not help them in the way HES promises their degrees will help graduates... And if HES degrees can't help HES graduates, and HES degrees are "worthless" in the eyes of the financial community, I suggest someone press a lawsuit against Harvard University for false advertising among other things.
However, if all of the comments made about Harvard's "worthless" Extension School, accompanied by "worthless" HES degrees are wrong, then all of the unchecked trolling and comments made by random people are just misinformed, erroneous public statements and worthless, time-wasting vocal musings.
And if it is the case that HES isn't as bad as trolls have made it look in various forums, I implore the WSO community as well as employers in finance to ignore the insecure trolls. Don't let your HR and hiring practices be molded by the worthless opinions of insecure students, who both hide behind usernames and make "worthless" statements about colleges like HES... Colleges like HES that may actually be worth your hiring team's attention.
As for me, I am a UPENN student, but I have a great deal of respect for HES students because I personally know one. He works his ass off, and takes hard classes offered by professors from the various Harvard grad schools. I also saw him compete in a trading competition where he ranked in the top five out of 150+ four person teams. I saw his ranking and comments a while back. It is rare for students with only finance/economics coursework and no real trading experiences to beat finance majors from many of the best business colleges in a trading competition. Considering the fact that it was my friend's first time, I can't help but think that HES is doing something right.
If I was an employer, I would give him a chance.
You mean Penn, right? I mean, you are a Penn student after all.
Harvard EXT really isn't that bad as people claim it is around here.
@Matrick Are you an employer?
Currently a HES student in the Finance ALM program. The classes/professors are definitely hit or miss. Not sure how the Finance community or employers in general view the degree, but I will push back on @Howard Hughes statement that people who go to HES do so because they can't get into a better school. As an active duty military guy, lining up B-school depends a lot on separation timing. I chose HES because it was the best program in the area that allowed me to further my goals while still working full-time. When the timing lined up, I applied to B-school and was accepted to an M7.
As a ALM Management graduate, I can say that the quality of the coursework is great especially for the cost. Many professors come straight from Harvard (HLS, HBS included) or other top schools.
Post-graduation, your mileage may vary. If you get a 3.5+ GPA, you may be eligible for Harvard College's Undergraduate Career fair for entry-level positions. As for Harvard Extension's career fair, many prestigious firms take a hard pass. As an Extension student at Harvard University, you'll have to work much harder versus the other schools at Harvard to land a position in high-finance if you don't already have substantial experience and solid credentials from undergrad.
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