Highest earning portfolio managers
I’m in cal BC right now and I was wondering we all hear about how much top hedge fund managers make but we never hear about how much their rainmakers bring in. Saw a comment that said Grant wonders ( Viking ) brought in 30mn in a year and the Pershing square guy who thought of the CDS trade made 20mn. Jesse Cohn ( Elliot) is selling his NY penthouse for 39mn so that probably put his nw at maybe 100mn?
I'm really curious plus I don’t care if it’s a SM or MM fund
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Yeah I’ve heard about Grant Wonders. He’s starting his own fund now excited to see what’s to come
Yeah I’ve also heard the guy is legit genius and he’ll probably launch in the fall
the LTCM guys were also legit geniuses
so is john hussman
so is [fill in the blank with someone who's highly educated but their GPA matches their CAGR]
genius does not equal investment skill, and investment skill is undiscernible from luck
Some MD at Fidelity apparently brought in 25mn last year or the year before.
Will be guys there at the big LOs doing that and maybe more
Will Danoff for example runs $138bn at an 86bps average fee. So he brings in $1.2bn of revenue to Fidelity every year - that is huge. Probably a decent chunk of that AUM will leave if he leaves. He has been there for 35 years so had plenty of time to negotiate a good deal.
How much does he get of that? 5% of the revenue he brings in each year is $60m. 10% is $120m. Both are far less than Abby Johnson will lose if he leaves. At his level it all comes down to what he negotiates, but he could very easily be making $50-100m+/ year..
Can run similar thinking for a lot of the biggest LO guys.
Anyone else sick of these garbage threads? There are many more athletes and actors making this type of money than in finance.
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Clearly finance is very top heavy, your point? I think you should be bezos or musk in that case.
That's not the same question, though. There are more actors and athlete making eight figures (like the PMs that OP cited) than in HFs.
did a role at a top MM HF last summer where i had access to comp/performance data for all PMs. by the summer, one of the PMs had made 1b+ for the firm and he gets a 20% cut.
Damn, what do you think was the most common range for PMs?
it was a historic year for the fund, but i'd say the average PM had a P&L of ~15-20M or so if i remember correctly
Extremely rare (if true at all) for a PM in an MM structure to make $1b PnL AND get a 20% cut. PM must be running a multibillion book and fund must be charging well north of 20% performance fees to justify paying him/her that cut. Not many out there and would think the fund would be extremely discreet about comp like this to prevent any leaks like this.
Every single MMHF has bonuses get expensed prior to performance fees/management fees so that logic is just not accurate. Every PM has about 20% fee in writing so that’s very standard.
I do agree that the 1b pnl is unreal tho.
Alright guys we all know who this is lol. He had a rough year this year lol but kept job to my knowledge. Bro is living like a king in PR
Bill Gross got a $290mm bonus in 2013
Bruh ur gonna get a dose of reality check when one of your positions eventually blows up if u ever make it to one of these funds and then u won’t be asking this question Lmao
Ah yes, what a productive conversation. What's next, coolest MD's in compliance?
Says the person who literally made a thread on how much back office MDs make?
Grant didn’t make 30mn lol
Care to elaborate on this guy’s story?
The highest he cleared was 8mn and he was in the 3mn-6mn range his other years. He left to launch his own fund but lockdowns made capital raising difficult and I believe he pushed back the launch date by a year/year and a half.
Also feel like it’s important to note that he comes from an extremely wealthy and well connected family. Him launching his own fund had much less to do with outlier performance and more to do with this preexisting network and access to capital.
Not at all taking away from him, he is legit and gifted at finance. There’s just a little bit more to his story than what gets thrown around on here.
Roughly 5% of teams at a top MM make 15mm+ in a given year payout. You can do the math and that top 5% is like 80-90% of firm PNL
Median barely survives in the 1-2 range. Roughly 35-40% get a donut in any year and are lucky to keep their job.
It's very top heavy yet we still play this stupid game.
Has your team ever made $15m+ payout? Also how much do you run?
Pulled straight from the Forbes list:
In the LO AM world, I can't imagine anyone has beaten Bill Gross / El Erian in 2013. BlackRock's top performer is paid around the $100M mark.
The original question was for non-founder PMs. I’m surprised no one has mentioned Paolo Pellegrini who was the PM at Paulson who put on the big short trade. He cleared $175 million for a trade that generated $15 billion for the fund and Paulson reportedly personally cleared $4 billion in carry / gains. While Pellegrini clearly got a huge pay day, the percentages of P&L are not as high at some funds as people think.
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